The Bali Nine/Schapelle Corby Discussion Thread

[Grimmace]

People people people, Indonesia treats Drug traficerrs worse than Militans because in their own eyes Drugs can ruin their economy since she was found with the drugs she has to pay the price and thats how they see it.

[SuperCliffy#01]

Tell me about it, if a person is found not guilty in our system and the old evidence proves correct that person can not be tried again, even if the old evidence proves correct the second time around.cya.

[Poida]

Tell me about it, if a person is found not guilty in our system and the old evidence proves correct that person can not be tried again, even if the old evidence proves correct the second time around.cya.

yeh if u think about it for them to be trialed for same sort of thing theyd have to commit another offense.
so bad that if it was murder they were not guilty despite evidence then for them to be trialed again theyd have to commit another murder .
i hate our justice system

[jenny]

Judge gives hope Bali six will avoid death penalties

Mark Forbes Herald Correspondent in Denpasar
October 19, 2006
Scott Rush ? grounds for a review of his death sentence.

Scott Rush ? grounds for a review of his death sentence.
Photo: AP Photo/Firdia Lisnawati
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SIX Australians on death row in Bali for heroin smuggling have been given hope of avoiding firing squads after the judge who sentenced two fellow couriers to life imprisonment said their roles did not warrant execution.

Muhammad Taufik's reasons for the judgement rejecting the death penalty in the cases of Michael Czugaj and Martin Stephens were released to their lawyers yesterday.

Judge Taufik said the difference in sentencing gave the other members of the Bali nine grounds for requesting a judicial review of their death penalties.

The presiding judge in the Supreme Court appeals of Czugaj and Stephens said the pair were only "intermediaries" in the smuggling scheme and did not deserve death sentences.

In Bali yesterday, Colin McDonald, the Australian head of the team representing courier Scott Rush, said the disparity outlined by Judge Taufik would be the central plank in a request for the Supreme Court to review its verdicts.

The other three couriers facing the firing squad would be able to make the same argument, he said.

"The sentencing differential gives solid grounds for a judicial review," Mr McDonald said. "Scott was in the same factual circumstances. By what logical reason could he have got the death penalty when he was never anything more than a low-level courier?"

Czugaj and Stephens's lawyers said they had not studied the judgements and would not comment until they consulted their clients.

Judge Taufik said life imprisonment was a sufficient penalty for Stephens and Czugaj.

"Their roles in this case are intermediaries, not permanent syndicate members. They are kids, around their 20s, with jobs, who were promised a holiday in Bali.

"I think life imprisonment is enough ? Later on there will also be a remission."

The court judgement for Stephens states it could not justify reducing his penalty from life imprisonment.

In Czugaj's case, the judgement says his term should be increased from 20 years to life because he had not considered "the consequence of the drugs import and distribution which [would] have a negative impact on the nation's life".

The other three condemned couriers, Matthew Norman, Si Yi Chen and Tan Duc Thanh Nguyen, also claimed to be pawns in the plan to import more than 8 kilograms of heroin into Australia. A different panel of judges heard their Supreme Court appeals.

Two ringleaders of the scheme, Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran, received death sentences in their original trial. Their sentences were upheld in an appeal to the Supreme Court.

Last month's Supreme Court decision to upgrade the four couriers' sentences to death came as a shock, as prosecutors had only requested life penalties.

Their lawyers have been awaiting the reasons for the decision so they can frame a last-ditch plea to the Supreme Court.

The full judgements in the remaining six cases are unlikely to be released until next month.

Mr McDonald said he was drawing up plans for a judicial review for Rush, based on the disparity in sentencing.

"The parity issue is the strongest case he's got," Mr McDonald said. "I'm eager to get the Supreme Court's reasons because it's difficult to see any logical reason for his penalty."

[SuperCliffy#01]

It is a messy situation, how can one comment, only to say i hope justice will be seen to be done.cya.

[jenny]

SOME bleeding hearts seem to forget that...None of this MOB, gave any consideration, to the TRAUMA they were going to bring back home...They done it all for the mighty DOLLAR! They will get what they deserve ...I HOPE!

[Capital_Shark]

thats true.
the fact we cant trial someone more than once for the same case is something i find ridiculous

The double jeopardy thing is very complicated. While in the broad scheme of things it can seem ridiculous that someone may get away with murder simply because they were trialed and declared innocent before a technology or some evidence was found that proved beyond doubt they did it, smaller, more complicated things could have people being dragged through court almost endlessly, especially if the cops have it out for 'em.

[Capital_Shark]

SOME bleeding hearts seem to forget that...None of this MOB, gave any consideration, to the TRAUMA they were going to bring back home...They done it all for the mighty DOLLAR! They will get what they deserve ...I HOPE!

I'm not so worried about that fact. Comes down to supply and demand, really. If there are people willing to put this crap up their veins and pay for it, thats their choice really.

[Titanium_BD1103]

Merged... ppls can we keep all the Bali Nine info in the one thread.. we don't need a new thread for every issue that occurs with the Bali Nine, Thanks...

[jenny]

Merged... ppls can we keep all the Bali Nine info in the one thread.. we don't need a new thread for every issue that occurs with the Bali Nine, Thanks...

Sorry TJ! Thankyou!

[jenny]

I'm not so worried about that fact. Comes down to supply and demand, really. If there are people willing to put this crap up their veins and pay for it, thats their choice really.

Yeah but sharky, their families dont need the crap that comes with it! I have seen loved ones shattered, by the choices their loved ones have made! i say throw the BOOK at them Plus ...We the Tax Payer have to end up forking out as well!

[Capital_Shark]

Yeah but sharky, their families dont need the crap that comes with it! I have seen loved ones shattered, by the choices their loved ones have made! i say throw the BOOK at them Plus ...We the Tax Payer have to end up forking out as well!

I see your point. But even if you crucify the Bali 9, the junkies that could have brought what they were smuggling, would have got high from someone else.

[jenny]

I see your point. But even if you crucify the Bali 9, the junkies that could have brought what they were smuggling, would have got high from someone else.

Sharkey i would like to see ALL DEALERS lined up against a wall and SHOT!
Goverments DONT Try hard enough!
:ok: Hmmmmmmmmmmmm! Wonder Why??? :naughty:

[Capital_Shark]

Sharkey i would like to see ALL DEALERS lined up against a wall and SHOT!
Goverments DONT Try hard enough!
:ok: Hmmmmmmmmmmmm! Wonder Why??? :naughty:

Why? They're supplying something people want, its only becase the government has deemed it illegal that people are opposed to drug dealers. Why not line up the tobacconists that sell smokes to people? The bar tender that serves drinks to the bloke who has a drinking problem. The casino staff that let the problem gambler in. The kid at Maccas that keeps serving the morbidly obese people their burgers and fries.

[Nathalie]

Why? They're supplying something people want, its only becase the government has deemed it illegal that people are opposed to drug dealers. Why not line up the tobacconists that sell smokes to people? The bar tender that serves drinks to the bloke who has a drinking problem. The casino staff that let the problem gambler in. The kid at Maccas that keeps serving the morbidly obese people their burgers and fries.

Because, no matter how much you try to deny it, it's their choice to walk into the fast food restaurant, the casino, the bar... it sucks but hey, it's true...