Warriors in salary cap investigation

[Dakink]

When you think about it, they'll only really start on -2 points. The points from the bye don't have to be given. It works out the same way.

Not really as all clubs get the bye - so it is in effect 6 points.

[Go_The_Doggies]

Mick watson is a **** nut who should be punished for this, its his doing wrong, not the new managments

I hate him, i really do, i hope he suffers for wht hes done
Oh and tony kemp, i hate him to, he can just...go away :fence:

Poor mr pricey, i cant believe this, the bad luck just keeps following him doesnt it

Wonder what Stace is thinking, wonder if he knows, you'd think he knows

[Steve Dangerous]

The one silver lining is that the current Warriors admin have come totally clean - when they didnt need to, in fact the NRL advised them they didnt have to make it public but they chose to in the interests of transparancey. They arent hiding anything now - I guess they are hoping that by doing that they may reduce the penalty from past crimes on the current batch of players.

yeah. you've gotta feel sorry for them. they have to face the consequences of something a past admin did.

[Go_The_Doggies]

My soft spot for the warriors sure is coming out now :o

seriously, i am soo gutted about this, and words cant describe how much i had mick watson right now

[Dakink]

My soft spot for the warriors sure is coming out now :o

seriously, i am soo gutted about this, and words cant describe how much i had mick watson right now

LOL I think we get the picture!!

This will certainly hit them hard!

[SuperCliffy#01]

I really feel for Steve Price, but having said that, i have a solution to Salary cap rorts, it is simple and blunt, any team caught rorting the cap face these

1, any team caught a suspension for one year from the competion

2, fined a minimum 1 million dollars

3, life ban on those officials responsable who rig the books to rort the Salary Cap

4, the club concerned has all player contracts declared null and void and the players are free to play with any other NRL club, and any club picking up those players would have that players contract exempt from their salary cap.

I know this is harsh but stripping a club 6 points is a slap on the wrist.cya

[Dakink]

The only problem I have with #1 is that it could potentialy kill off League in that area. I think it is better off deducrting them points so they start behind everyone else, but the fans still get to see NRL action. It wasnt the fans that rorted the system so we should be careful about taking the game away from the fans.

[Eel 33]

2, fined a minimum 1 million dollars

3, life ban on those officials responsable who rig the books to rort the Salary Cap

These are 2 very good ideas, but i think you could ramp the fine up a considerable amount. Minimum $5 million fine or strip the club of NRL funding for eg: 2/3 years without any effect on standing player contracts.

[brn2bwyld]

Those are bull**** ideas. 5 clubs went over the 2002 cap, 2 over the 2004 cap (brisbane and melbourne) ban a side for a year and you destroy the entertainment. All the crap clubs who have nothing players will be the only ones left. They are already fined however much they went over the cap. That and the points is enough.

[Queenslander]

I really feel for Steve Price, but having said that, i have a solution to Salary cap rorts, it is simple and blunt, any team caught rorting the cap face these

1, any team caught a suspension for one year from the competion

2, fined a minimum 1 million dollars

3, life ban on those officials responsable who rig the books to rort the Salary Cap

4, the club concerned has all player contracts declared null and void and the players are free to play with any other NRL club, and any club picking up those players would have that players contract exempt from their salary cap.

I know this is harsh but stripping a club 6 points is a slap on the wrist.cya

Those ideas are really really really really harsh, and no offence not feasible.
Idea 1 is way too harsh....what happens if a club is only over the cap by a small amount....or if a club admits that they are having sallary cap problems and like brn2bwyld said many clubs have been caught for going over the cap...if they get kicked out then there isnt much of a competition
Number 2 and 3 are reasonable...and number 4 is insane

It makes sense to give the players a job to do cause it isnt their fault but you would see many of the strong (financially) clubs poaching talent for huge amounts due to the lack of salary cap restrictions.....If the Knights get into trouble you would find Andrew Johns getting millions of dollars from more financially stable clubs while smaller clubs like Souths relying on the players that they already have and unable to compete with huge offers from other clubs.

[Dakink]

Gallop holds players responsible as well, as they should ne, player know how much they are getting.

Cap cheats face expulsion: Gallop
By Brent Read and Dan Koch
February 23, 2006

THE NRL has warned it had the power to suspend or de-register players if it finds indisputable evidence they had knowingly taken part in the New Zealand Warriors' rorting of the salary cap.

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The game's governing body has the ability to take action against players culpable under the terms of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, NRL chief executive David Gallop said as Warriors owner Eric Watson broke his silence on the issue.

Those penalties include fines, suspension or de-registration.

"Part of the last agreement negotiation incorporated a provision that any player knowingly involved in salary cap breaches was liable to penalties," Gallop side.

Watson said he fully supported "the actions being taken by the Warriors board to resolve the matter as quickly as possible".

"I am committed to the Warriors," Watson said.

"I believe in the team and ability of the new management - Wayne Scurrah, John Hart and Ivan Cleary - and their ability to drive the club forward and make sure the team is a force to be reckoned with."

While the NRL has declined to name the player contracts involved in the Warriors scandal, The Australian revealed yesterday that the contract of Ruben Wiki had rung alarm bells at NRL and Warriors headquarters.

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Wiki is understood to have been promised an assistant coach's job after his retirement.

There is no suggestion that Wiki knew of any impropriety on behalf of the Warriors, but any players found to have knowingly taken part in salary cap breaches face stiff penalties from the NRL.

Wiki, who was on the Gold Coast with his teammates yesterday preparing for Saturday night's trial against the Bulldogs, was reluctant to buy into the issue.

"They assured us they would sort this out and leave us to play football and we are confident they can sort everything out," Wiki said.

"I haven't met them individually, but I will when we get back to New Zealand as I am sure most of the guys will, just to clear up where we all stand.

"Really, none of us are too worried about it. We can't control it and so we aren't wasting our time.

"It's not our problem, mate."

However, former New Zealand coach Graham Lowe called on players and managers to be thrown out of the game if they were found to be circumventing the salary cap.

Lowe described the Warriors' predicament as "inexcusable" and said some players and managers needed to take a good look in the mirror.

"If players knowingly accept some form of back-hander, I don't care how good they are, we have to get rid of them," Lowe said.

"Some strong deterrents have to be put in place, otherwise forget the salary cap."

The Warriors have until tomorrow to submit their response to the NRL, with suggestions the club could be heavily fined and docked up to six competition points.

The incident has prompted plenty of finger-pointing across the Tasman, with most blame being heaped on former chief executive Mick Watson.

However, New Zealand Rugby League chairman Selwyn Pearson, who sits on the Warriors board as a representative of the NZRL, a minor shareholder in the club, and former Warriors marketing manager Dean Lonergan claimed it would be folly to suggest Watson was totally to blame.

"Everyone seems to be pointing the finger at Mick," Pearson said.

"Until it's over you can't point the finger at anyone." Lonergan said chairman Maurice Kidd had to shoulder some responsibility.

"He was chairman of the board when all this was going on," Lonergan said.

The Australian

[Go_The_Doggies]

I really feel for Steve Price, but having said that, i have a solution to Salary cap rorts, it is simple and blunt, any team caught rorting the cap face these

1, any team caught a suspension for one year from the competion

2, fined a minimum 1 million dollars

3, life ban on those officials responsable who rig the books to rort the Salary Cap

4, the club concerned has all player contracts declared null and void and the players are free to play with any other NRL club, and any club picking up those players would have that players contract exempt from their salary cap.

I know this is harsh but stripping a club 6 points is a slap on the wrist.cya

Why suspend the warriors this year

They breached the cap in 04/05, its not like they won the premiership anyway, i know thats not the point but still

[Queenslander]

Gallop holds players responsible as well, as they should ne, player know how much they are getting.

To be honest many football players couldnt count if their life depended on it They probably know that they are getting paid but the managers of the players would know the true amount.

[Super Cronk]

To be honest many football players couldnt count if their life depended on it They probably know that they are getting paid but the managers of the players would know the true amount.

I dont believe that.

Players know exactly what they are making. And all the deals that are made.

[Queenslander]

I dont believe that.

Players know exactly what they are making. And all the deals that are made.

Thats fair enough, im not saying that Rugby League players are idiots; hell I used to play Rugby League But I can honestly see situations where a manager is talking to a player during contract negotiations and saying "This team is offering more, go for that one" Without explaining everything about the contract and where the money is coming from. Plus players wont go around asking every other player in the team what they are earning and adding up the total and working out that his team is over the salary cap