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    Well what a disappointing game. Its hard work being a titans supporter through this but unfortunately we have to take the good with the bad and even though it sucks big time our boys need us out there cheering them on!!! You can bag individual players as much as you want but seriously that loss last night was a TEAM effort - dropped balls and errors by so many players - we could hardly get out of our end in the second half! the confidence in the boys is practically zero and they just can't seem to get rid of all those silly errors in their games. For Carty to say those words to the players..... well he is just dumbfounded too I suppose! He can only coach them during the week - on the field it is up to the boys to lift and play and do all the little things right and most of all to play as a team!!!! We were still right in that game with only 6 points on us until that field goal but we just couldn't do anything right! Surely our season has to turn around soon.... right???? :-(

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotitans101 View Post
    I agree that we are very one dimensional in attack (my brother who ain't a Titans fan even noticed this), but how does that even relate to all the drop balls & errors we keep making week after week? This is what is killing us the most imo.
    Actually I think they are related, our attack relies on speed of the ruck, without a roll on we don't go anywhere. Our assistant coach is a touch football coach, touch is all about speed.

    The issue we have is that the NRL want to and are slowing the game down, there allowing players to linger in the ruck. Which is causing errors from us trying to generate the speed in the play the ball.

    We need to learn to play slow.

    We have to learn to attack against a set line, and be patient until we get a result. Because if we continue trying to play fast, and don't accept the fact the refs will not accept errors from speed in the play the balls our pain will continue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teke View Post
    Wanna know something, both times Mead chased Jennings he said he was cramping badly and couldnt run properly.
    I noticed Mead everywhere in the first half, but in the second half he was very very quiet.....I wasn't sure why but perhaps he was still cramping?

    ......On a seperate note Srama looked very tired during the game. His work rate was up there and I am unsure if he was rested because of fatigue or he was injured. But I would keep him there. He will only get better.

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    50% completion in the second half and that's our halfbacks fault? Really? Considering that most of the dropped ball was before the 3rd tackle when our forwards were supposed to be working it out of our end?
    Harrison & Bailey missed more tackles than Prince did.
    Bird was the one who threw it to the crowd on 2 occasions while attacking the line - one time due to the fact that Toopi was more interested in staying back to rip the collar off another player.
    There were 15 errors in that game, only 2 can be attributed to Prince. Talk about a scapegoat. Our team couldn't have won that game with Cronk or Thurston playing #7 for us, let alone any reserve grade halfback we have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coaster View Post
    Actually I think they are related, our attack relies on speed of the ruck, without a roll on we don't go anywhere. Our assistant coach is a touch football coach, touch is all about speed.

    The issue we have is that the NRL want to and are slowing the game down, there allowing players to linger in the ruck. Which is causing errors from us trying to generate the speed in the play the ball.

    We need to learn to play slow.

    We have to learn to attack against a set line, and be patient until we get a result. Because if we continue trying to play fast, and don't accept the fact the refs will not accept errors from speed in the play the balls our pain will continue.
    Great post Coaster. I think the major issue that we have is the weapons we have aren't effective when we are slowed down. Ryan James is the best "slow" player we have. I don't even think Rogers or Friend would be helping us now because of this point - Laffranchi will help though.

    The last two weeks we have been beaten by teams who haven't played that great but have used their weapons - Frank Pritchard, Greg Eastwood, Jamal Idris and Ben Barba (who gets to do his thing because of the others) for the Bulldogs and Trent Waterhouse, Petero Civoniceva, Luke Lewis and Lachlan Coote. Both these teams are going through similar issues to us with a lot of their players being adept when the play the ball is quicker and the defence is retreating but they have major weapons that help them get on a roll when it has been stopped.

    When Queensland got on a roll against NSW thanks to Matt Scott and Petero Civoniceva guess who looked great - Ash Harrison. For us he looks terrible and rushed. We need Minichiello to be firing because when he isn't last night happens. Mini breaks tackles and puts other teams on the backfoot (just like Waterhouse did to us last night). Matt White is another we need playing better as he is capable of playing slow.

    Bird is a lock. He played five-eighth last night and he played alright and kicked well but he just didn't give the back-line good ball and that is what a five-eighth does he engages the defence and gives his centres quality ball.

    I want Prince at five-eighth to release our reliance on him to be everything for us. He is a good passer and he genuinely has teams on high alert when he has the ball in his hand. They try to rush him and that is a lot harder when he's at five-eighth. It's time to give Capewell the reins at half-back and get Prince wider with the responsibility of lighting up our stagnant back-line. Harrison and Bird need to work their stuff out and be prepared to get into the grind - Minichiello needs consistency. Srama is fantastic we need to persist - we need attacking weapons in this team to run off him - the run and play the ball quickly thing is gone, some misdirection and subtlety at hooker followed by some tackle-breaking and line-breaking runs is just what we need. Toopi looked great in patches but we all know he has concentration issues and drops the occasional ball and gives the occasional penalty.

    We need to stick strong, but I agree we need to overhaul our approach and look for players who can do damage to a defensive line when they aren't pedalling backwards.

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    Ryan i certainly respect the fact that you are the biggest fan of Prince on this forum. But fairdinkum,week in week out you are the lone ranger when it comes to defending his performances. Not once have you criticised him yet you are the quickest to bag any forum member who has the hide to comment on his poor form this season. You consistently try to sugar coat Princes performance by always throwing in a few misleading stats.

    While your stats are correct each week you certainly don't and never give the full story.

    This weeks sugar coat is that Bailey and Harro missed more tackles than Prince. Bailey actually missed 6, Harrison 4 and Princess 4.

    The difference is that Harrison made 47 Tackles, Bailey 36 and Prince a mere 18.

    The stats actually prove once again that Prince is our worst defender.

    To tell you the truth i actually do respect and enjoy your opinions and i generally agree with your opinions and comments 90% of the time, but your constant defending of Princes performances after each game is getting a little bit boring week in week out.
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    Don't forget Dean that other teams are seeking out Prince with their biggest weapons on the edge of the ruck and trying to get him one-on-one. Neither Bailey or Harrison have this problem to deal with and generally have plenty of help making their tackles. I'm sure no opposition team sits down and says lets run Waterhouse or Idris or Pritchard at Bull Bailey to make our line-breaks! I don't want to defend Prince too much but I don't think he is the whole reason for how we are going even though I'm sure he has a large say in how we play as a team. We are missing some important cattle and are in transition. It is time for us to look forward now and start working on combinations for next season. To change our game plan now and make a run at the eight appears beyond us with the current group - I think we need to focus on the players that will be with us next season and build the game plan and the focus on combinations. Anyone whose contract is up for grabs should be in there trying to prove their worth (see Tomane and Walker). Esi may have played his last game for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supergoose View Post
    Don't forget Dean that other teams are seeking out Prince with their biggest weapons on the edge of the ruck and trying to get him one-on-one. Neither Bailey or Harrison have this problem to deal with and generally have plenty of help making their tackles. I'm sure no opposition team sits down and says lets run Waterhouse or Idris or Pritchard at Bull Bailey to make our line-breaks! I don't want to defend Prince too much but I don't think he is the whole reason for how we are going even though I'm sure he has a large say in how we play as a team. We are missing some important cattle and are in transition. It is time for us to look forward now and start working on combinations for next season. To change our game plan now and make a run at the eight appears beyond us with the current group - I think we need to focus on the players that will be with us next season and build the game plan and the focus on combinations. Anyone whose contract is up for grabs should be in there trying to prove their worth (see Tomane and Walker). Esi may have played his last game for us.



    Agree 100%. Great Post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teke View Post
    After the game Carty sat them down and said "Im speechless, I have nothing to say that wont be personal" Looks as though he def had players he could have blamed.
    Just curious how you found this out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dean View Post
    Ryan i certainly respect the fact that you are the biggest fan of Prince on this forum. But fairdinkum,week in week out you are the lone ranger when it comes to defending his performances. Not once have you criticised him yet you are the quickest to bag any forum member who has the hide to comment on his poor form this season. You consistently try to sugar coat Princes performance by always throwing in a few misleading stats.

    While your stats are correct each week you certainly don't and never give the full story.

    This weeks sugar coat is that Bailey and Harro missed more tackles than Prince. Bailey actually missed 6, Harrison 4 and Princess 4.

    The difference is that Harrison made 47 Tackles, Bailey 36 and Prince a mere 18.

    The stats actually prove once again that Prince is our worst defender.

    To tell you the truth i actually do respect and enjoy your opinions and i generally agree with your opinions and comments 90% of the time, but your constant defending of Princes performances after each game is getting a little bit boring week in week out.
    Actually, I was the first one to suggest that he spend a week back in Q-Cup!
    He had some terrible performances, but has since picked his game back up. Of course he is not at his best, but for someone who was easily the best halfback in the game in seasons past - it is a pretty high bench mark to get back to. Playing in a team which is averaging 20 errors per match isn't make it any easier.

    I agree that stats do not tell the full story, but they are more often than not a good indicator of someones workload and the way the match has been played.

    Prince is a halfback and our #1 playmaker, he should not be relied upon in defense and making 18 tackles per game. He is not 6' tall and 100kgs+ and put there to be tackling the other teams forward pack. His energy and focus should be reserved for attacking\playmaking. Nor should he be spending his week training for defense, especially while our attack is in disarray.

    People pointing at Prince week in week out for our losses is whats getting boring. Looking at the way our entire team is performing and continually putting the shortfalls on the halfback is getting ridiculous. You can't fly like an eagle when you are surrounded by ducks. The entire team is in a hole that Langer, Johns or Thurston wouldn't get us out of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shamus View Post
    ......On a seperate note Srama looked very tired during the game. His work rate was up there and I am unsure if he was rested because of fatigue or he was injured. But I would keep him there. He will only get better.
    Srama had another top game his defense is probably only 2nd to Friendy , he brought Petro down on several occasions throughout the match & was always 1st player chasing the kicks downtown but he was gone when Carty replaced him , I pointed out to a few when he chased a kick made the tackle & then put himself at outside centre almost waving the white Flag

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    zillman looked pretty average at fullback tonight too, no single player can be blamed for our season but i do believe our forwards have done nothing wrong this season its been 1-7 thats been the problem

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    its just not 1-7, the forwards are making the mistakes. n givien the penalties.
    our backs have done nothing but, i do agree with you there, but its cause prince hasnt done anything...
    needs more presto magic....
    and maybe walker for some flair which we really lack this ear, n now seeing gordon is out

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    Some pretty handy comments in here today. Can I add?

    1. Commit the team to a 9, 7, 6 & 1 and stick with it ... specialist players with a view to the future. How can the boys do the "hard stuff" at training if they have to re-adjust each week? That's a complete waste of time and effort.

    2. Get the pack to stand back and run onto the ball with purpose. Sadly this is related to point 1. If you play too flat the opposition spots you and forces handling errors because you have no space for setting your own personal defence against the defenders.

    3. It is useless having a sprint attack unless you have space. How to create it? Either (a) turn the defence around with your forwards/quick plays, or (b) have your pivots AND their support standing deep.

    4. Our defence is fine IF we don't have to make more tackles than the other team.

    5. Stupid penalties can only be frustration or idiots (take your pick) but most likely the first one :-)

    imho.
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    This year there have been 75 less tries then same time last year in the NRL.
    We need to accept that we need to change our style of play, and play slow. That means forwards in numbers to pull defenders in before thinking about backs.

    James needs more minutes, and White and Hendo need to bend the line
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