Australia

[Steve]

I really should say, what is the real problem, because none of these assimilation complaints really seem to matter to me. Other than crime, which I don't think is it's own thing that has nothing to do with this stuff, these are all incredibly trivial issues, some of which I suspect aren't even really occurring.

Boohoo, there's no tinsel out the front of Kmart, who in the hell does that hurt?

I agree about crime. It should be dealt with as is, and if it's immigrants doing it they should be sent back, but other than that, it's irrelevant.

I don't believe in god, so I'm not really affected by whether or not there's tinsel out the front of Kmart, but why shouldn't there be?

I was talking to an online friend in Singapore about it. She couldn't understand why these changes are happening.

In a country with 63.9% christians, 18.7% no religion, 2.1% buddhists, 1.2% muslims, 0.7% hindu, 0.4% jewish inhabitants, we're effectively making changes that affect 64% of the population to appease what's very likely a small percentage of an already small percentage.

Singapore has 42.5% buddhism, 14.8 no religion, 14.6 christianity, 13.9 islam, 8.5 taoism, and a whole bunch of others, yet there's no issues. They just celebrate all these things and it's accepted. They have a day off for buddha's birthday, a day off for xmas and whatever else.

I actually wonder if this is the problem. Especially in schools where especially with girls, the cultural/religious clothing doesn't fit with school standards and they're told they can't wear it, so we get a tit for tat situation where they then complain about christian crosses and painting easter eggs and then the bleeding hearts go ape over it all.

Ideally if the populations grow enough we'd incorporate other religions and cultures holidays into ours. Now there's a great Australian tradition, any excuse for a day off work and a bbq.
As is though, we're talking 2% of the population or less. And while there's no public holidays, there's certainly no reason celebrations can't be held, but certainly no need for public holidays as yet. We already have the buddha birthday celebrations here in Brisbane, that's always fun to go to.

Definitely agree religion should be kept out of schools, unless it's a private school. Plenty of catholic schools, so I see no reason for not having muslim, jewish or whatever private schools. I don't know if religion is still taught in public schools, it was when I went. Bit of a waste of time too. One or two of the major denominations had teachers, and everyone else was just lumped into the one room with nothing to do for the period. There's always sunday school if parents really want their kids learning it.

[kwigibo]

I agree about crime. It should be dealt with as is, and if it's immigrants doing it they should be sent back, but other than that, it's irrelevant.

I don't believe in god, so I'm not really affected by whether or not there's tinsel out the front of Kmart, but why shouldn't there be?

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If someone is not a citizen and commits a crime, deportation is definitely something to be done, but a naturalized immigrant, where do you draw the line?

Because if Kmart or whoever thinks they are best off trying to appeal equally to all potential customers, they are a private company and it's their prerogative. By the same token if they feel they'll do better business by pandering to some specific group, by all rights they are free to do that too. The police didn't come in jackboots and all to burn down a nativity scene, this is just the market adjusting, if you're offended by that, maybe you're a communist. Not that there's anything wrong with that either, unless you advocate political revolution I guess, then you guys might have something meaningful to get up in arms about.

[Steve]

Yes! I'm a communist! Just not a socialist.

There's nothing democratic about pandering to less than 1% of the population at the expense of 60%.

It's not hard to accept everyone, and that goes for the minority of people who are forcing these changes.

[kwigibo]

Yes! I'm a communist! Just not a socialist.

There's nothing democratic about pandering to less than 1% of the population at the expense of 60%.

It's not hard to accept everyone, and that goes for the minority of people who are forcing these changes.

Nobody's forcing anybody, it's a natural adaptation to the market place. There is no expense here, give me an example of something where there is a genuine expense or a minority group is forcing changes somewhere. I'm not denying that some vocal people argue for stupid allowances for certain things, usually given the undeserved national platform of some god awful current affairs program. But they're just idiots, and so are the media entities enabling them. In terms of real damage though, what have we lost, what of consequence has changed?

I still don't think Australia's perfect, but like most of the world it's as good as it's ever been from where I'm looking. We have more and freer access to information than ever, George Bush is unemployed in 4 hours time, scientific discovery advances every day, the Gold Coast has a great ****ing footy team, standard of living has never been better discounting this very recent economic downturn. This whole world doesn't have it as good as Oz, which is why we have this 'problem' I guess, but there are much fewer countries than not that are worse off now than any other point in recorded history in terms of individual quality of life.

There's still a long way up, yet we create nonsense like this to complain about? That's only going to stop us from getting even better.

[~lee~]

The four greatest words in the english language "I'm not racist, but..."

Would you ever start a sentence off "I am racist, but..."

Learning a new countries language should always be a priority or else you'll forever live in a bubble to those around you. In saying that the english sure know how to make spain feel like england.

How does australian life continue on without tacky christmas lights at a supermarket?

[Ryan]

Nobody's forcing anybody, it's a natural adaptation to the market place. There is no expense here, give me an example of something where there is a genuine expense or a minority group is forcing changes somewhere. I'm not denying that some vocal people argue for stupid allowances for certain things, usually given the undeserved national platform of some god awful current affairs program. But they're just idiots, and so are the media entities enabling them. In terms of real damage though, what have we lost, what of consequence has changed?

How about the 'attempted' banning of the national flag at the Big Day Out a few years back - just because a few lebo's who got flogged with a good patriotic beating a few days earlier might be offended at the sight of the flag again.

Why is it that every gang rape\bashing\robberies are carried out by ethnic gangs. How can it not effect the majority of the population when they can't use the public beach or walk down to the servo for some milk after dark, because of a group of territorial half-casts are patrolling the streets? Because Australia tolerates it, nothing has been done about it, no example has been set. They walk in the courthouse cop a probation or a suspended sentence and they're off again, with no incentive to reform themselves.

White Australians do not form gangs, that culture derived from third world countries or undeveloped islands that lack security and infrastructure.

[kwigibo]

How about the 'attempted' banning of the national flag at the Big Day Out a few years back - just because a few lebo's who got flogged with a good patriotic beating a few days earlier might be offended at the sight of the flag again.

Why is it that every gang rape\bashing\robberies are carried out by ethnic gangs. How can it not effect the majority of the population when they can't use the public beach or walk down to the servo for some milk after dark, because of a group of territorial half-casts are patrolling the streets? Because Australia tolerates it, nothing has been done about it, no example has been set. They walk in the courthouse cop a probation or a suspended sentence and they're off again, with no incentive to reform themselves.

White Australians do not form gangs, that culture derived from third world countries or undeveloped islands that lack security and infrastructure.

Attempted is a key word there. The Big Day Out is also a privately run event, they can set whatever terms of entry they want, and that was clearly a case of grasping at straws trying to find something they could do to deter 'patriotic' violence.

'White' Australians most certainly do form gangs, they were the people leading that 'patriotic' beating. And just because you say so, it is not the least bit true that robberies or bashing is limited to any ethnicity. You mention beatings carried out against ethnic minorities by white gangs, you contradict yourself.

And why is it that gang rape is always committed by gangs (ethnic or not)? Why is it never just one guy by himself committing that crime?

This is just classic ingroup/outgroup bias. Humans have a seemingly innate tendency to filter information about those that are perceived to be like or unlike themselves. Those in the ingroup that do 'bad' things are seen as an exception, while those seen as different, the outgroup, that do 'bad' things are seen as indicative of their group. Likewise, 'good' actions are seen as the exception for the outgroup, and indicative of the whole for the ingroup.

All the difficulties I've experienced in my life that were not my own fault, have been caused by white people, including crime. Even so, I don't then conclude that white people, culturally or genetically or otherwise, are as a whole more predisposed to good or bad than other ethnicities. It would be prejudiced to do that with any group of people..

Vilifying large groups of people over the wrongly or rightly perceived shortcomings of individuals, who for whatever wholly arbitrary reason are included in said groups, is what's wrong with this country, in my opinion.

[Ryan]

Attempted is a key word there. The Big Day Out is also a privately run event, they can set whatever terms of entry they want, and that was clearly a case of grasping at straws trying to find something they could do to deter 'patriotic' violence.

'White' Australians most certainly do form gangs, they were the people leading that 'patriotic' beating. And just because you say so, it is not the least bit true that robberies or bashing is limited to any ethnicity. You mention beatings carried out against ethnic minorities by white gangs, you contradict yourself.

And why is it that gang rape is always committed by gangs (ethnic or not)? Why is it never just one guy by himself committing that crime?

This is just classic ingroup/outgroup bias. Humans have a seemingly innate tendency to filter information about those that are perceived to be like or unlike themselves. Those in the ingroup that do 'bad' things are seen as an exception, while those seen as different, the outgroup, that do 'bad' things are seen as indicative of their group. Likewise, 'good' actions are seen as the exception for the outgroup, and indicative of the whole for the ingroup.

All the difficulties I've experienced in my life that were not my own fault, have been caused by white people, including crime. Even so, I don't then conclude that white people, culturally or genetically or otherwise, are as a whole more predisposed to good or bad than other ethnicities. It would be prejudiced to do that with any group of people..

Vilifying large groups of people over the wrongly or rightly perceived shortcomings of individuals, who for whatever wholly arbitrary reason are included in said groups, is what's wrong with this country, in my opinion.

Those riots by the 'whites' were in retaliation to the latest of constant rapes and bashings brought on by the ethnic groups. Riots don't start over nothing, you can only put up with so much and when the legal system continues to fail theres not much other choice than to take the law into your own hands.

All the regional towns I've spent time with in Australia have only had problems with large ethnic gangs. I'm not saying white people don't commit crime, but if theres a gang related crime I'd lay my money out everytime thats it's an ethnic group.

Every public gathering I go to in the area Easter\New years\ect celebrations, it's a large enthic group bullying smaller groups that cause the cops to break up the party. Everytime!
Every so often you get a few whites who get sick of it and come back with 50 of there own mates, but in general the whites do not hang out in large groups.

[Super Cronk]

i have some friends who work in the John Maroney correctional centre here in sydney...i cant recall the exact percentage but well over 70% of the guys in there are asians/part of asian gangs....for drugs, rape and other gang type activity. Not saying that "white" australians or indiginous Australisn dont form gangs or behave like ********s...but IMO the majority is ethnic based.

i have personally notcied and seen alot of these ethnic groups (i live in the western suburb...so i know how bad it gets!) over the years grow larger and larger and show more and more disrespect for our country and its people.

Some reasons:

Alot of the younger hoodlum asians come here to do their drug dealings because if they are caught in their country they go to jail for life. The same also goes for the "middle easterners" they show total disrespect for women and our country.....they bash our lifeguards and still expect to use our beach without coping something back? It isnt just here in Australia either...ask some of our pommy mates what the biggest problem is over there in regards to foriegners...its these pakistani terriosts who go there to blow people up in the name of the Qur'an...

Australia is easy and cheap to get into for these people and our laws are **** house...


99.9% of the worlds problems is caused because of religion....can you believe that? over a fictional character!!!

[dee13]

I have a simple answer. The government need to excercise ZERO TOLERANCE and introduce Deportation. Get rid of the problems and maybe then we will be able to see the benefits of having a multicultural society such as ours.

[Ryan]

These demographics are 10yrs old, but as you can see the Lebo's, Turks and Kiwis have always outnumbered the Aussies jail population rates.




Source:

Ethnicity and crime: an Australian research study
Satyanshu Mukherjee
Canberra: Australian Institute of Criminology, 1999

A report prepared for the Department of Immigration and Multicultural Affairs

[dee13]

These demographics are 10yrs old, but as you can see the Lebo's, Turks and Kiwis have always outnumbered the Aussies jail population rates.




Source:

Ethnicity and crime: an Australian research study
Satyanshu Mukherjee
Canberra: Australian Institute of Criminology, 1999

A report prepared for the Department of Immigration and Multicultural Affairs

Nice work Rysey. Kwigibo must have ripped that page out of his outdated uni books.

[Ryan]

And why is it that gang rape is always committed by gangs (ethnic or not)?
Why is it never just one guy by himself committing that crime?

Are you drunk?

If rape is commited by a gang - it's gang rape.
If rape is commited by one guy - I think they just call it rape, because there is no gang.........

[dee13]

Are you drunk?

If rape is commited by a gang - it's gang rape.
If rape is commited by one guy - I think they just call it rape, because there is no gang.........

Guys like you and I Rysey are educated in the school of hard knocks. Some people just don't understand or comprehend what happened in the race riots a few years ago because they were broght up reading about life and not living it. The people who learn about life by reading about it, more than likely are not getting the full picture. I've never read any Uni books and you can bet your last dollar, I never will because those thing are usually written by politacally correct morons who also learned about life by reading about it.

Kwigibo... go live in the South West of Sydney for...... lets say a month. I bet your tone changes once you have actually lived outside of a uni book.

[GCT_89]

this turned out much better than i thought.....although i did need a dictionary for most of what kwigibo said........lol

was at the QLD Roar game last sat night against sydney.....

there were about 10 lebanese lads in front of us at the start.....the cops led them out with there hands behind there backs by half-time.....you should have heard the racist crap that was coming outta their mouths....