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    Australia - The Right to Leave

    After Sydney not wanting to offend other cultures by putting up Xmas lights.
    After hearing that the State of South Australia changed its opinion and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's license with her face covered.

    This prompted this editorial written by an Australian citizen. Published in an Australian newspaper.
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    IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It! I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.

    However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia.

    However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.

    This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle.

    This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

    We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, Learn the language!

    'In God We Trust' is our National Motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you
    consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.
    If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like 'A Fair Go', then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.
    We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from.

    This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this.

    But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our National Motto, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,

    'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE!

    If you aren't happy here then move on! We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted. Pretty easy really, when you think about it.

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    Xenophobic and misinformed and very loosely veiled bigotry. "In God We Trust" is not our national motto among the many incorrect assertions and weak strawman arguments in this juvenile attack on the perceived evils of cultural tolerance and flexibility.

    I don't find it the least bit interesting, only disturbing and unfortunate that sentiments like these* are sincerely held by many of my fellow Australians.

    *(but as Diehard points out below, surely not exactly like these)
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    Sounds like some American chain letter with some words altered.

    The In God We Trust part and the bit about other languages, Spanish is the first mentioned. Which is widely spoken in the USA but hardly here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIEHARD View Post
    Sounds like some American chain letter with some words altered.

    The In God We Trust part and the bit about other languages, Spanish is the first mentioned. Which is widely spoken in the USA but hardly here.
    My suspicion as well. Southern Cross seems shoehorned in, doesn't it, how can a constellation offend any mentally sound person? We don't have a pledge either. One irony is, the 'christian nation' spiel is very obviously a transplanted American sentiment that doesn't really fit Australia, but America has a very clear constitutional separation of Church and State where we unfortunately do not have any explicitly spelled out separation. So it's probably more technically correct in this form for which it was not originally intended even if it doesn't really make sense in a modern Australian cultural context. Still incredibly intolerant.
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    One thing I really hate is how rednecks hijack the Southern Cross. It's sacred to me and it will be our national flag one day soon when we become a republic.

    As usual the best answer lies in between two points. Yes everyone should learn English but more so for their own sake of social inclusion and a fair go at getting ahead in life.

    Also I think so much of, well depending on the way you look at it, nearly all Australian culture has been off the back of immigrants.

    Besides this is just a baseless chainletter.

    http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/beamerican.html
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    awwwww..... come on guys, i just wanted to have some fun......

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    Quote Originally Posted by GCT_89 View Post
    awwwww..... come on guys, i just wanted to have some fun......
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    Before I start, I just want to say that I am in no way racist and I accept people on face value. I don't judge people on their race, religion, gender or colour.

    I believe that, there are people out there who are not willing to integrate into our culture. Take for instance the Asian community in Sydneys South West region. Some of them have been here for over 30 years and they still do not speak our language. In the last few years the muslim community have begun to segregate and form their own societies. I believe that if you come to this country, you adapt to our cultures and way of life, you respect our laws, you do your best to learn our language and you respect our past, presant and our future. If you don't like any of the above then either shut up or piss off.

    I ask you, Why do we have to take our Australian flags down if someone from another culture is offended by it.

    Why does Santa Clause and Christmas decorations get excluded from our shopping centres because of someone not believing in Christmas and getting offended.

    Why all of a sudden do we need segregated schools, when the government provided perfectly good education opportunities to every child in the country already.

    If you look at the crime sprees in Sydney suburbia alone, I will guarantee the majority of these crimes are commited by someone with ethnic background. 3strikes you're out I reckon. I will gladly pay the airfares for a repeat offendeds and I will buy the rubber stamp that says "NEVER TO RETURN"

    The sooner Australians grow some Kahunas and stop trying to be politically correct and develop a system whereby people moving to this country have to integrate, the sooner Australia will rebuild its identity.

    I am a proud Australian. Im proud of our past. Im am proud that so many foreigners have come here, adopted our traditions and now proudly call themselves Aussies. But I will not tolerate people who come here and disobey our laws and try to change our way of life to suit themselves and then turn around and call us racist.


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    I may loose some votes over that post but Im not about to sit on the fence and tell you a whole pile of crap Im not sincere about.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dee13 View Post
    I may loose some votes over that post but Im not about to sit on the fence and tell you a whole pile of crap Im not sincere about.
    Who gives a **** who you upset, I agree 100% with you.

    If I had neighbours that complained about our flag, I'd paint one side of my house with the flag clours.

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    my two cents worth....there is no god.

    and i totally agree with dee13!

    i wont go to much into it...because my post would be removed if i really got going.







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    Chain letter aside, there is a real problem with this political correctness crap.

    We hear more and more stories of schools and childcare centres not celebrating xmas or easter. Myers window display is no longer a nativity scene. Talk of banning "merry christmas" and using something less 'offensive' instead.

    It's all a load of rubbish. I'm not christian, but I don't find it offensive, it's just what christmas is about. And while unlike America, we weren't founded by a bunch of crazy christians, we certainly do have christian roots and a good majority of Australians if not atheists or jedi, are christian.

    If I went to Israel, Saudi Arabia, Nepal, India or anywhere else where the base population are of another religion, I'd hardly have any reason to complain about their holidays and traditions.
    I have to say, the few people from other countries/cultures who live in Australia have absolutely no issue with our customs either. But as they say, the squeaky oil gets the wheel.

    There's a reason people want to come to Australia to live. What concerns me is that all the things they want to leave behind, they drag it over with them.
    There's many great things we can gain from other cultures, but the biggest concern is the bad stuff is being brought in too instead of being left behind. And then where will we be? We sure as hell won't be the country everyone wants to live in anymore.

    I'm the son of an immigrant myself, and part of the deal was learning the language, getting a job, becoming a productive member of society.

    Should immigrants have to learn English? Yes. It's the national language and to be able to communicate and be an active part of society it's nice to be able to speak the language.

    Should they give up their culture? No. We can all be enriched by it, but old feuds should be left behind.

    Should they accept the cultural and religious beliefs already in the country? Absolutely! It's these things which have contributed to making Australia the country they want to live in. It's like going to the Norman Hotel (the self proclaimed Australia's Worst Vegetarian Restaurant) and complaining that you're a vegan and there's nothing you can eat.
    Don't like it? Just don't go.

    Am I racist or xenophobic? No. I just think if you're going to decide to live in a country you should be accepting it for what it is, not trying to change it into the country you left behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dee13 View Post
    Before I start, I just want to say that I am in no way racist and I accept people on face value. I don't judge people on their race, religion, gender or colour.

    I believe that, there are people out there who are not willing to integrate into our culture. Take for instance the Asian community in Sydneys South West region. Some of them have been here for over 30 years and they still do not speak our language. In the last few years the muslim community have begun to segregate and form their own societies. I believe that if you come to this country, you adapt to our cultures and way of life, you respect our laws, you do your best to learn our language and you respect our past, presant and our future. If you don't like any of the above then either shut up or piss off.

    I ask you, Why do we have to take our Australian flags down if someone from another culture is offended by it.

    Why does Santa Clause and Christmas decorations get excluded from our shopping centres because of someone not believing in Christmas and getting offended.

    Why all of a sudden do we need segregated schools, when the government provided perfectly good education opportunities to every child in the country already.

    If you look at the crime sprees in Sydney suburbia alone, I will guarantee the majority of these crimes are commited by someone with ethnic background. 3strikes you're out I reckon. I will gladly pay the airfares for a repeat offendeds and I will buy the rubber stamp that says "NEVER TO RETURN"

    The sooner Australians grow some Kahunas and stop trying to be politically correct and develop a system whereby people moving to this country have to integrate, the sooner Australia will rebuild its identity.

    I am a proud Australian. Im proud of our past. Im am proud that so many foreigners have come here, adopted our traditions and now proudly call themselves Aussies. But I will not tolerate people who come here and disobey our laws and try to change our way of life to suit themselves and then turn around and call us racist.
    I think there's as much in the history of this country not to be proud of as proud of. It seems you're for a fairly rigid conformity to some nebulous idea of anglo-saxon Australian tradition. If you don't already understand why some of us are not entirely comfortable with that, I'm not sure I can explain it. It has nothing to do with 'political correctness' (which is meaningless except as a pejorative used by those ostensibly opposed to it).

    Put simply, none of us is perfect, and neither by any stretch of the imagination is our country or its history. We all have ideas of how things ought to be, mine are open to compromise because my democratic ideals insist that, within reason, my ideas about how our society should operate aren't any more or less valid than the next person's. Unless the way someone chooses to live their life in this country directly and/or significantly inhibits how you would like to live your life, I personally don't see how that could upset anyone. If certain subsets of the population are culturally insular, so what? As long as each individual's rights are not infringed and they freely choose to live a certain way, why should it bother anyone? It seems only certain ethnic groups are targeted here, but by the same logic, if this kind of thing bothers you, why not target mormons, or masons, or mensa, senior's associations, the liberal party, catholics?

    As far as crime goes, all criminals have an ethnic background, unless they're cyborgs or replicants or something. And sure, people shouldn't break the law, assuming that law is just (again, I feel this country is at best imperfect, and so is its legal system). I'd like to see some data that suggests certain ethnic groups offend more than others, but even if that were the case it's unfair to blame that on some cultural or racial idiosyncrasy. It's not like they possess some ethnically specific moral failing that will be remedied by total cultural assimilation to whatever it is we define as 'true' Australian-ness. Minority ethnic and cultural groups, when marginalized by attitudes like that in the above editorial, combined with related socioeconomic difficulties may produce a higher proportion of criminal offenders. If the ABS or someone similar suggest that they do, again, the attitude in the editorial is not I believe the most productive or reasonable way to react to such a situation.

    As for the more specific things, some are silly, some are valid, assess them as they come.

    Xmas decorations in shopping centres is completely up to the management, if they feel it's in their interest to not appear to favour the religious traditions of some of their customers over others, that's their decision, it's private property, deal with it.

    Public buildings should not display anything religious as far as I'm concerned, government should not have anything to do with religion, that's every person's private domain.

    It's idiotic to have a drivers license photo with your face covered so that it's unrecognizable, you might as well not have a photo.

    National flags and the like on public buildings or private property shouldn't bother anyone, and if it does, that person needs a hobby. If you start putting flags in other people's yards or sticking them in their backs or something, well that's trespassing and assault, and in principle I am against those things.

    Schools, well, public schools should be the same for everyone. If, for example, Muslim communities wish to have religious specific instruction, then they can and should establish private institutions for that purpose. Religious law should never take precedence over national state or local law in my opinion, and that applies equally to all religions. If private Muslim schools submit to the same standards as other parochial schools, I don't have any real problems. I was made to wear my clothes a specific way and taught stupid bull**** at Catholic school, I don't see a difference. Really, I wish we didn't have any parochial schools and we had a national uniform high standard public education system, but I'm realistic and don't like to discriminate.

    What else is a problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwigibo View Post

    What else is a problem?
    I really should say, what is the real problem, because none of these assimilation complaints really seem to matter to me. Other than crime, which I don't think is it's own thing that has nothing to do with this stuff, these are all incredibly trivial issues, some of which I suspect aren't even really occurring.

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    Lets get something straight. Im not in the least bit religious.

    If I we were to go overseas, to a muslim country especially, and push our traditions or christianity on them, we would be jailed or worse. They would not tolerate us asking them to take down their flag. There is currently a man serving 3 years in jail for writing something about the Royal Family in Thailand.



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