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CoastSportsFan
Born in Southport, lived here 20+ years.
OK, so I will accept you should have a good knowledge of Southport traffic and roads.
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I don't understand how you can say the light rail won't work when it's never been tried before.
For all the reasons I have given you. Lets play a game, where you actually support your argument with some real ideas that outline the positives. You are the king of claiming to want to have a "discussion", so give us some real, tangible points to discuss.
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As I've already stated, born in Southport and lived my whole life here.
This gives me a chance to reiterate you should have a good understanding of Southport road infrastructure.
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I think university students will find the tram convenient. That's nearly 20,000 people right there. Not saying they'll all use it because they won't but that's still a lot of people who could use it.
Mate, this is as ridiculous a point of argument as I have heard. University students might use it, and there is a lot of them, but they might not, but they could. Strong selling point.
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As you've pointed out, tourists will also likely use the system. Like I said in my previous post, students and tourists will be the main people using the trams.
Let's assume you are right, that these two groups of people are the biggest users of this system, how does this help alleviate traffic congestion? Get all those pesky Uni students and tourists off our roads! Wow, that will really free things up.
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I also expect plenty of people that aren't students/tourists will use the system to get from Surfers to Broadbeach on Friday and Saturday nights.
Again, I think this will be an absolute minimum of people, because almost no one will drive to a bus stop, catch a bus to a tram station, catch a tram into town for a night out and then reverse the proceedure to get home. You are living in a fairy tale mate.
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No no, I didn't say it was a valid reason to keep it. I was trying to say that it may be the reason it is kept if it does end up being a failure.
again, really positive reasons to spend $1.8 Billion to see how it goes.
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You can't see traffic getting better? Really? There are roadworks everywhere and streets have been shut down but there is no way it is going to get better in your mind?
Firstly, straight up, unequivaclly, NO, it won't be better than it was before they started this shamozzle, and the fact that you think in a "make it really sh!t to start with, then make it not quite as sh!t at the end, and we will say it got better" is why I think you are a moron.
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What a ridiculous thing to say.
You said it sister.
I see your point about couriers and the like not being able to park in Surfers.
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Don't really know how you can avoid that though
by not stuffing up all the parking that was available :doh:
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and now I'm starting to think you are using personal reasons as to why the tram shouldn't exist.
Tell me what reasons you would prefer, and I can substantiate my position.
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No doubt the roads are an absolute mess right now but once the roadworks are finished the traffic flow will improve.
See my point above with regard to this way of thinking.
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I drive through the Southport CBD area every day.
Again, this makes me think you should have an understanding of Southport roads and traffic...
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Scarborough street is really the only one that has been majorly affected.
And then you prove you know sweet FA about Southport roads, even though you claim to have lived there for the past 20 years or so.
The road in front of the Cecil hotel is TOTALLY CLOSED (Nerang Street), so every person has to drive up and around the police station, around the courthouse and then link back up with the road after waiting at another set of lights. This is all because they closed about 50M of road. Don't get me started on people coming southbound who have to drive about 5K's just to get back into Southport if they don't know they have to do the police station/Courthouse shuffle before they pass it.
Then there is the traffic lights where the roundabout used to be, down near the church/RSL. Now everyone has to stop and wait, where traffic used to flow. It used to be traffic lights, but was changed to a roundabout years ago to allow for better flow. now it is back to traffic lights, with all lanes filtering into single lanes. Then there is the ENTIRE road from Ada Bell Way up to the lights at Ferry Road where none of the connecting roads can turn right coming onto it. Everyone coming out of EVERY house in ALL THOSE FEEDER ROADS now has to turn left and go all the way around Southport (see point above) just to get onto the highway. They used to just turn right onto Queen Street. Tell me again CSF how Southport hasn't been affected.
Then there is the fact that even though you can't turn left onto Nerang Street at the Cecil, and have to now go around the police station, behind the Courthouse, wait at some more lights, and then turn right to get onto the street 50m up the road from where you were 5 minutes ago ( it literally takes 5 minutes to get 50m from where you used to be able to turn left), and then when you get to the place you want to be, well then you CANNOT STOP OR TURN RIGHT/U TURN for.... well I don't even know how far you have to go to turn around! The first available option is past the old hospital, and then when you can turn right, you have to drive down that road for a while, do an illegal U turn, and then come back to those lights, then drive back a few hunderd meters to get to all the private hospitals that people need to get to, but then they can't park anywhere because all the parking has been removed! Tell me again CSF how
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Scarborough street is really the only one that has been majorly affected.
I coud go on, but what is the point???
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I know that's one of the main roads in Southport but you can still get around it if you know what you are doing.
and in your twisted logic, this is better???
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Again, I think you're taking personal experiences into this and painting a negative picture when a vast majority of people won't be facing the issues you do on a regular basis.
Honestly, do you even read what you write? Which vast majority CSF? The tourist and Uni students who even according to you, could, but probably wont be using this tram? Or the other 98% of the local population who won't be using this tram on a daily basis, but will be impeded by it on a daily basis?
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I don't have facts for this one, it was simply my opinion (and yours?) that they should build more car parks near the tram stops. Whether it's possible is a totally different issue.
So the one concession you make, that we both agree on, is that they need parking at the tram stations, but as I have already pointed out, there isn't even enough room to park a car, so how do you suppose they fit in an entire carpark?
OK, I have said it many times, you are a troll and a moron, and I don't want to waste any more of my time pointing out the obvious to you because you don't want to accept any of it. Give me valid points with some intelligent basis for raising them, and we can discus them, but please don't throw any more of your "thoughts" into this "discussion" because it just wastes my time.
I've said enough. Feel free to spew forth more illogical garbage in response.