Origin III changes?

[Jezza]

Post all your thoughts on the changes that should or will be made to the NSW & QLD teams. Please reply.

[Jezza]

Farah in for Anasta?? Injured Anasta could be out for several weeks with a broken finger and the series is tied up anyway so why not let this kid run wild and seek his long awaited and deserved origin debut. Stewart definitely in for Mini aswell due to back injury and Stewart playing a blinder of a game. Maitua could come into the side after being placed on standby for Luke Bailey in the 2nd game and due to much injuries throughout the forwards but unlikely. Could put Laffranchi or Watmough in the side somewhere but not sure. Seeing i'm a NSW supporter I probably don't mention enough QLD changes but not sure of any despite few injuries throughout the team.

[Social Loafer]

Farah replaces Buderus
Someone to replace Lyon- what a joke he has been, has done Sweet F*ck all this year yet gets a walk up start..

Gallen or Laffranchi to replace Simpson on the bench.

Also, NSW needs passion, BRING ON THE TONGUE!!!!

[Robbie_Dee]

Bring in Matty Bowen...and when we win....he can stay there 'coz he did the job for us' :woot:

nah but seriously...just give him 1 damn game...we have won the series...we aren't going to lose the third...no harm can be done.

[Dragons]

Farah replaces Buderus
Someone to replace Lyon- what a joke he has been, has done Sweet F*ck all this year yet gets a walk up start..

Gallen or Laffranchi to replace Simpson on the bench.


Also, NSW needs passion, BRING ON THE TONGUE!!!!

Give me Head instead :rolf:

[Capital_Shark]

Bring in Matty Bowen...and when we win....he can stay there 'coz he did the job for us' :woot:

nah but seriously...just give him 1 damn game...we have won the series...we aren't going to lose the third...no harm can be done.

Yeah, that'd be fair on Karmichael Hunt...

[Hoppy2007Dragons]

Well weve lost the series so why not let some rookies expirence origin and show what they got, i say laffaranchi and watmough need to come in, stewart and a young five eight maybe wallace or someone.

[Capital_Shark]

Wouldn't surprise me for NSW to make a mockery of the third game now.

Surely they put Mullen at 5/8 alongside Kimmorley.

[jake86]

Tate and thurston are injured, not sure how long for. If unfit for game three, Prince in for thurston, and Folau, Rogers or Bowen in for tate. Cant see any changes if everyone is fit

[Robbie_Dee]

Thurston has been clear from any fracture..but is still in doubt.

[Titanium_BD1103]

I don't reckon NSW will make wholesale changes CS... it's not their style... ;)

I do however reckon changes need to be made to bring some more skill to the side... not so much faster but a bit more smarter...

I reckon the following side for game 3:

1. Brett Stewart
2. Hazem El Masri/Chris Hicks
3. Matt Cooper
4. Matt King
5. Jarrad Hayne
6. Jarrod Mullen
7. Brett Kimmorley
8. Luke Bailey
9. Danny Buderus
10. Willie Mason
11. Anthony Watmough
12. Nathan Hindmarsh
13. Andrew Ryan

14. Reni Maitua
15. Anthony Laffranchi
16. Robbie Farah
17. Brent Kite

[Capital_Shark]

Of course they wont. They'd have a half a chance if they culled some of the slackers. Piss off Buderus I reckon. Farah would provide a lot more. Mullen to 5/8 if he's meant to be the future. Bring in Laffranchi and Watmough. Piss off Bobcat, maybe even Bailey.

Either way, not gonna help, they're still playing Queensland.

[Robbie_Dee]

Piss off BobcatBig call. IMO he has played some great games. A lot of unmentioned great work.

[Capital_Shark]

Big call. IMO he has played some great games. A lot of unmentioned great work.

For the Bulldogs he has. Not doing enough at Origin level. There are better, more creative locks (or 2nd rowers if NSW insist on a 2nd rower at 13) going around. And lets face it, creativity is what they lacked. They had all the ball and all the field position, but couldn't have scored in a brothel with a $100 note in their zipper.

[Social Loafer]

And lets face it, creativity is what they lacked. They had all the ball and all the field position, but couldn't have scored in a brothel with a $100 note in their zipper.

You know with inflation and tax these days that isn't as easy as it sounds..

I'll see myself out

[J-Storm]

I have to agree with CS, Andrew Ryan should get a bench spot at most. Buderus is done as a rep player, Cameron Smith & Robbie Farah are the top 2 #9's in the NRL atm (just my opinion). Jamie Lyon should be gone, replaced with Dean Collis or push Matt King into the centres & El Masri on the wing.

Luke Bailey, Steve Simpson, Brett White & even Nathan Hindmarsh... wow, these guys must be under some pressure surely. Gallen, Hoffman, O'Meley & Clinton all must stand a good chance now to get a shot surely. It can't be any worse now that the series is done & dusted.

Hayne, Kimmorley, Bird & Stewart were the only guys I would have praised after that debacle from NSW. But hey, I hope they pick the same squad (barring injuries of course) so Qld can whip 'em 3-0...:clap:

[Steelers]

Matt King can't be left out on the wing. Queensland attacked his wong all game, and it worked. Move King to the centres to replace Lyon and bring in a specialist winger.

[Capital_Shark]

Whose Wong and why did QLD attack him? Bad won tons I'll bet.

[Steel Dragon]

I see you lost a sig bet too Hoppy. Unfortunately, mine can get a lot worse if we go belly-up in game 3. But I will need a Queensland Origin sig for a couple of months at least. Anyone wish to provide one?

As for changes, Farrah has to be in the team somewhere, I'd bring in Ryles and O'Meley, put Hoffman in the starting lineup, Mullen at 5/8, Ben Smith in the centres and El Magic on the wing (bye bye King and Lyon), dump White, Simpson, Ryan, Bailey (he's carrying an injury anyway), and bring in Ben Creagh and Anthony Laffranchi.

To be less confusing:
1. Brett Stewart
2. Jarryd Hayne
3. Matt Cooper
4. Ben Smith
5. Hazem El Masri
6. Jarred Mullen
7. Brett Kimmorley
13. Ryan Hoffman
12. Willie Mason
11. Nathan Hindmarsh
10. Jason Ryles
9. Danny Buderus
8. Mark O'Meley

14. Greg Bird
15. Ben Creagh
16. Anthony Laffranchi
17. Robbie Farah

I realise there are no props on the bench, but Laffranchi can certainly handle front row, and Creagh has basically been used as a prop this year by the Dragons, and Willie can move forawrd as well, so I don't se too many problems.

My Queensland team would be the one captained by Andrew Dunneman I posted in another thread.

Jason

[Jezza]

I think Watmough definitely deserves his spot.

[travop]

tsk tsk tsk nsw those poor little lost sheep all beacuse their shepard left the game

[Steelers]

Whose Wong and why did QLD attack him? Bad won tons I'll bet.

Meant to be wing, not wong :)


I see you lost a sig bet too Hoppy. Unfortunately, mine can get a lot worse if we go belly-up in game 3. But I will need a Queensland Origin sig for a couple of months at least. Anyone wish to provide one?

You can use the one in my sig if you want :p

[Steel Dragon]

tsk tsk tsk nsw those poor little lost sheep all beacuse their shepard left the game

Seen how the Broncos have been doing sans Lockyer and Thurston? Actually, the Broncos have been doing crap WITH Lockyer this year. They are no chance.

Jason

[Hoppy2007Dragons]

King, Lyon and Buderus need to go.

Mason plays his best at second row so he should go there.

The blues need some players with passion for their state and some fire, bring Gallen and Rlyes in the mix.

And buderus needs to run the ball or he will be left behind. His defense was good but msith showed how a real hooker should play.

[Cowboy Titan]

I'd love to see Bluey Southern get a run for NSW. He busts his guts for the Cowboys every week and nobody in the NSW team has been pulling off the bone crunching tackles that he makes every week.

Whoever they go with, they definitely need to get alot more aggression in their defence - as long as Qld still win though.

[Cowboy Titan]

For Qld, I'd like to see Bowen get a chance if Tate's out but he's nowhere near as good on the wing. He'll hopefully get his chance next year with Berrigan going to England.

[Flanker/5-8]

Gallen for Ryan
Watmough for Simpson
King to centre for Lyon, El Masri comes onto the wing
O'Meley to prop, White to bench, Bailey drops out
Monaghan and Farah in for Kimmorley and Anasta

and fit Tongue, Steve Southern and Laffranchi in there somewhere too

[Titanium_BD1103]

OK after last night... Here is the side I would currently pick for SOO 3 for NSW:

01. Brett Stewart
02. Hazem El Masri
03. Matt Cooper
04. Matt King
05. Jarrad Hayne
06. Kurt Gidley/Jarred Mullen
07. Brett Kimmorley
08. Mark O'Meley
09. Danny Buderus
10. Willie Mason
11. Anthony Watmough
12. Andrew Ryan
13. Reni Maitua

14. Paul Gallen
15. Robbie Farah
16. Greg Bird
17. Anthony Laffranchi

[Steve]

Stewart definitely deserves his spot.
I'd get rid of Lyon, he's done nothing.
I think El Masri deserves a spot, has for years.
Buderus needed to stand up and make a difference, but he did nothing all game. For whatever reason, time to give someone else a shot. Bring on Farrar.

Kimmorley needs to be replaced. I said after origin 1, if Noddy gets the jersey, NSW will lose. A halfback should provide attacking options when close to the line, he provided nothing, the team was lost whenever close to the Qld try line. If Mullen is back from injury, great. Give him another shot. His kicking game was rubbished in game 1, but Kimmorley sent the ball straight to a player more times than not aswell. Hell, maybe give Orford a go. He couldn't do any worse.
Laffranchi and Gallen deserve a run.
Also, i'd like to see props and second rowers actually played in their position.

[J-Storm]

As a Qld fan I don't really care what NSW do. But... if I'm a NSW selector, I decide to look to the future, the next era of NSW stars. In saying that, here's the team I would pick:

1. Brett Stewart
2. Jarryd Hayne
3. Ben Smith
4. Dean Collis
5. Michael Gordon (does he qualify, wasn't sure...?)
6. Jarrod Mullen
7. Mitchell Pearce (he's playing well enough in an average side)
8. Dane Tilse (see Mick Gordon)
9. Robbie Farah
10. Mark O'Meley
11. Willie Mason
12. Anthony Watmough
13. Paul Gallen

14. Chris Lawrence
15. Kurt Gidley
16. Alan Tongue
17. Ryan Hoffman

Now of course, that side wouldn't get picked currently, but it should be, there is still youth & experience with a lil' bit of 'X-Factor' in there as well

[Chaos]

Kimmorley needs to be replaced. I said after origin 1, if Noddy gets the jersey, NSW will lose. A halfback should provide attacking options when close to the line, he provided nothing, the team was lost whenever close to the Qld try line. If Mullen is back from injury, great. Give him another shot. His kicking game was rubbished in game 1, but Kimmorley sent the ball straight to a player more times than not aswell. Hell, maybe give Orford a go. He couldn't do any worse.


Steve,

Ideally, I beleive the half back role is to organise the forwards and to gain field position with his kicking game.
The 5/8 has the time to craft up a move to score the try. Good communication between those two positions and your hooker will jell the team together.

Your expectation of the half back role is too much. NSW's poor attack came from the lack of creativity in the 5/8 position.

For you to have a shot at Kimmorley's kicking in Origin 2 suggest you have a personal dislike towards the guy.
His kick/chase kept NSW in the game.

It was funny listening to Gus Gould's commentry...he was trying to pick on Kimmorley's kicking game even though he was playing well.
You two might be drinking out of the same fountain.

[Jezza]

Just to let everyone know Kurt Gidley is injured so he can't play origin 3.

[Steve]

Steve,

Ideally, I beleive the half back role is to organise the forwards and to gain field position with his kicking game.
The 5/8 has the time to craft up a move to score the try. Good communication between those two positions and your hooker will jell the team together.

Your expectation of the half back role is too much. NSW's poor attack came from the lack of creativity in the 5/8 position.

For you to have a shot at Kimmorley's kicking in Origin 2 suggest you have a personal dislike towards the guy.
His kick/chase kept NSW in the game.

It was funny listening to Gus Gould's commentry...he was trying to pick on Kimmorley's kicking game even though he was playing well.
You two might be drinking out of the same fountain.

In today's game, the 6 and 7 are interchangable.
You look back at the great halfbacks, and they did a hell of a lot more than get field position. Tries came from them. Be it a pass or a kick, they knew what was on and they created opportunities.

Thurston does it, Prince does it, Gower and Orford used to do it.

The 6 is generally just as capable, taking pressure off the 7 and keeping the defence in two minds about who's going to launch the attack.

The NSW 6 and 7 both had nothing in attack.

I'm not picking on his kicking game. Just that in game 1 they were bashing Mullen's kicking because it went straight to Hunt, etc. But so did most of Noddy's kicks, yet most of the commentary team were praising it.

[RLfan]

J-Storm, Michael Gorden a Queenslander. But replace him with Purtell if your looking for a NSW future team.

[Jezza]

Ideally, I beleive the half back role is to organise the forwards and to gain field position with his kicking game.
The 5/8 has the time to craft up a move to score the try. Good communication between those two positions and your hooker will jell the team together.

Your expectation of the half back role is too much. NSW's poor attack came from the lack of creativity in the 5/8 position.

For you to have a shot at Kimmorley's kicking in Origin 2 suggest you have a personal dislike towards the guy.
His kick/chase kept NSW in the game.

It was funny listening to Gus Gould's commentary...he was trying to pick on Kimmorley's kicking game even though he was playing well.
You two might be drinking out of the same fountain.

Fantastic explanation and I can't agree more. Here are some of the players that can gel together which means they should be picked. I think Orford should be ahead of Kimmorley I just think he can create more then Kimmorley and I think he has an excellent kicking game near the try line but his long place kicking on the 5th is not as good. I had serious doubts about Kimmorley in the 2nd game but he performed great and his kicking game was excellent but not when it's close to the line. Orford is fast around the rucks and sometimes can create something out of nothing. Monaghan should be at 5/8 because he can also create something out of nothing and as Chaos said Monaghan has creativity to create a try close to line unlike Anasta and he is constantly putting Manly in to the clear when there is not much of a gap. Orford and Monaghan fire for Manly when there in the halves together and they both play with Watmough and they know how to get him through the slightest gap and when Watmough is in the clear you don't have much hope of getting him because of his freakish speed for a forward and his aggression. He is also a 80 minute player so he should be picked in the starting line-up. Farah is the perfect for the person for the dummy-half spot because he can gel the trio together and this trio are play makers and thats what they need instead of a 5/8 who you hardly even see in the game and a dummy-half who can't perform when he is supposed to be one of the best. Farah should of been picked for the last game and has shown why at club level. Farah can also create something out of nothing. Monaghan probably should be the kicker because of his long kicking and he is a great 40/20 kicker. Farah is a great grubber kicker and Orford is a fantastic place kicker close to the line which Kimmorley didn't do. By the way Laffranchi should be in the team because he is like Watmough and Mona and Ox (Orford) can work with him. I beta end this reply but Laffranchi, Watmough, Monaghan, Orford, Farah and Stewart should definitely in the team. I forgot to mention something. We all know Stewart is a freak when it comes to tries but half of them come from the work of Orford and Monaghan. I hope you like my idea. By the way Farah I think is the most inform player in the comp. CYA. GO THE BLUES!!! :woot:

[Jezza]

please read it is interesting and don't be fooled by the length. You get through it pretty quickly. :)

[J-Storm]

J-Storm, Michael Gorden a Queenslander. But replace him with Purtell if your looking for a NSW future team.

Thx Champ, wasn't sure if he qualified & nice to see someone let me know. I'dd edit that team I came up with then & add Purtell in Gordon's place as you suggested. There'd be worse options from what I've seen...

[Steel Dragon]

Seen how the Broncos have been doing sans Lockyer and Thurston? Actually, the Broncos have been doing crap WITH Lockyer this year. They are no chance.

Jason

Must have been asleep when I wrote that. I meant to say the Broncos sans Lockyer and the Cowboys sans Thurston.

Anyway, as for changes, I'd nominate the following teams:

NSW
1. Brett Stewart
2. Jarryd Hayne
3. Matt King
4. Ben Smith
5. Wade McKinnon
6. Jarred Mullen
7. Brett Kimmorley
13. Ryan Hoffman
12. Nathan Hindmarsh
11. Willie Mason
10. Jason Ryles
9. Danny Buderus (c)
8. Luke Bailey

14. Andrew Ryan
15. Greg Bird
16. Mark O'Meley
17. Robbie Farrah

Did I read right that Gidley injured himself last night? I've left him out of my side on that basis, otherwise I'd consider him at 5/8 instead of Mullen, maybe on the bench instead of Ryan, although I realise this leaves us with only 1 big man on the bench. But as Bird can play lock, Hoffman can move to the second row, and Mason up front if need be, it shouldn't hurt us too much.

Queensland
Let's face it, Queensland won't change unless forced to by injury, although I agree Bowen deserves a run.

Jason

[Jezza]

Queensland
Let's face it, Queensland won't change unless forced to by injury, although I agree Bowen deserves a run.


Yes I agree. Bowen has been outstanding but they just can't fit him in.
But if they had put Bowen there in the first place he would of satyed and they could of smashed us (NSW) by even more. They want to probably keep the same team to because everone probably deserves to finish NSW off and they have been playing great together.

[Jezza]

Just heard Dallas Johnson is out for last origin and Tate might be aswell. They were saying in the Courier-Mail that they might bring a titans pair into the squad. Cooper and Rogers. Also heard Simpson is out which gives them more reason to put Watmough in I think.

[RLfan]

GAVIN COOPER!!!!!! Someone listened. Pick him Des. Rogers is really a no-brainer to replace Tate but has he retired from rep games or what?

If Tate misses Origin, hopefully he can suit up with the Baby Broncos aganist Penrith.

[Titanium_BD1103]

Ok well having seen all the matches bar the Tigers vs Broncos... here is the NSW side I'd run out for SOO3

01. Brett Stewart
02. Hazem El Masri
03. Matt Cooper
04. Matt King
05. Jarrad Hayne
06. Jarred Mullen
07. Brett Kimmorley
08. Brent Kite
09. Danny Buderus
10. Willie Mason
11. Nathan Hindmarsh
12. Anthony Watmough
13. Reni Maitua

14. Robbie Farah
15. Paul Gallen
16. Ryan Hoffman
17. Greg Bird

18. Mark O'Meley


Ok the reason I chose this side is because I reckon it's a strong side and ATM:

- Jason Ryles, not that I'd have picked him is out injured
- Kurt Gidley is out injured
- Mark O'Meley is facing the judiciary, probably one match ban, I'd put him in on Monday morning to replace Kite
- Anthony Laffranchi who I reckon deserved a bench spot is injured.

I reckon Gallen, Maitua, Farah and Watmough on current form deserve to be in the side... I reckon Mullen is the option at 6 consider we said we wanted to look at him at the start of the series and I reckon Kimmorley did more than enough in Game 2 to stay in the side for Game 3.

I reckon Lyon is not playing good enough ATM to keep his spot and King will be better suited to the centres where he won't come one in and leave a gaping hole for Inglis to charge into. Without a goal kicker, we need El Masri there and as an added bonus, he can defend the house down.

The rest of the side is pretty same as Game 2, they all tried their butts off and with some additional firepower, we should be more than competitive with this side.

[Jezza]

Titanium i totally agree. Maybe Orford or Monaghan in for Kimmorley because he can not create anything in attack.

[Robbie_Dee]

Titanium i totally agree. Maybe Orford or Monaghan in for Kimmorley because he can not create anything in attack.i agree. This 3rd game for NSW should be about experimenting, I'd definitely give Orford a crack, and see how he goes.

But as a QLD'er, I'd be more than happy to see Mullen/Kimmorley combo :woot:

[Capital_Shark]

There is no pressure for NSW in game 3, Orford could perform. :p

[Jezza]

exactly

[Ryan]

No pressure in being white washed?
I wreckon if Qld go into half time with a lead, there maybe a little pressure.....:rolleyes:

[Capital_Shark]

exactly

Your not meant to agree man I was having a dig at Orford lol I must be losing my touch.

I thought up a team for NSW the other day but now half my inclusions are injured or suspended so I won't waste my time.

[Ryan]

Your not meant to agree man I was having a dig at Orford lol I must be losing my touch.

I thought up a team for NSW the other day but now half my inclusions are injured or suspended so I won't waste my time.
Half my inlcusions for a NSW team that could beat QLD have long retired..... :laugh:

[Capital_Shark]

Half my inlcusions for a NSW team that could beat QLD have long retired..... :laugh:

LOL thats exactly what their selectors should do. The word is they're looking at Greg Bird to replace Anasta at 5/8th and also the retention of Jamie Lyon.