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Tri-N Nations Game 1: Australia v New Zealand
Who will win?
Who will be the M.O.M?
Post your thoughts on this game in this thread before the opening Test at Telstra Stadium.
Cheers
DeeGan
I think Aus will win - though NZ always promise much and this time they have a better 'feel' about them.
MOM - Another toughy. You obviously have to look at the class impacy players like Johns & Lockyer. Might be a forward this time though. Ill comment further when I see the starting teams.
Should be a cracker. A lot will depend on how the NZ team handle the 5\8 position. T
Super Cronk
11-10-05, 12:37 PM
Australia will win by a comfortable margin.
MOM- Andrew johns
I reckon the aussie team will be more mobile then the other teams and the backs will be way to strong and go on a try scoring spree!
Australia by 13+
Lockyer as MOM
..::Coops::..
11-10-05, 03:43 PM
Aus 22- 8
MOM Andrew Johns
FTS Gasnier
Australia to win 30-6.
MOM Andrew Johns.
PARANoIR
11-10-05, 06:09 PM
Australia by a lot.
Johns or Minichiello MOM.
Inferno
11-10-05, 06:49 PM
Kiwis by 8, just to be different.
Vagana or Jones for MOM.
Coaster
11-10-05, 06:55 PM
Australia by 30
MoM - Minochello after he scores 4 tries, he will love running off a Johns/Lockyer combo
FtS again the Count
Queenslander
11-10-05, 06:55 PM
Australia to win 24-8
MOM: Steve Price
kazza broncos chick
11-10-05, 07:03 PM
Aussie 24-10
Lockyer MOM
Inferno wat are u thinkin??? NZ sif they've got a chance!LOL
Inferno
11-10-05, 09:25 PM
we'll see.
I can't wait to see more of Vagana at 5/8. Hopefully will tear Locky a new one;)
Steelers
11-10-05, 10:06 PM
I hope NZ win (just to see the look on Bennett's face) but AUS will more than likely win.
M.O.M
Stacey Jones
or
Andrew Johns
Who will win?
Australia
Call me bias, though this Australian team should get home quite comfortably against a spirited NZ team who will make the first 20 minutes of each half quite an arm wrestle.
NZ Pride will ensure that the NZ team will be competitive early though the sheer class of the Australian team led by Lockyer, Johns, MInichello and the like will get us home.
Expect some 'ring rust' from the Aussies which will keep the NZ team in this one, though once we settle in, we have too many strike weapons to be troubled.
Who will be M.O.M?
Take your pick.
You have the two best players (Johns, Lockyer) in the world in the halves for Australia, big game specialist Anthony Minichello, Steve Price (M.O.M in his only 2 appearances in a rep jersey in 2005), Buderus, Gasnier (who can tear apart any team on his day) plus two rookies in O'Donnell and King who will feel 10 feet tall when they pull on their green and gold jersey.
In short, TOO MANY too choose from so if your taking the punt, you need to look for some value though look to the guys who will dominate with the ball.
Take one of either Johns, Lockyer, Minichello from the backline with Buderus, or Price in the forwards.
Do not discount Matt King as a roughie for a spectacular debut tonight. This guy is just a brilliant rugby league player who is not overawed by the occasion. King will score a try or two and more than like save the same amount putting together some flashes of brilliance returning the ball.
If pushed for one nomination, I will take Darren Lockyer who will be intent on playing himself back into form and dismiss any talk that Barrett is a possible contender for his five-eight spot. Lockyer as captain has 4 or so M.O.M. awards so he will be hard to go past here.
EDIT: I have chucked $10 on Lockyer and another $10 on Steve Price who will be our main go forward man tonight. It all starts up front and Price (who will be in any of my fantasy teams for rugby league) loves the occasion.
What will the score line be?
I am hesitant here given this our first hit out.
Lockyer and Johns will take time to gel and get a feel for each other out there which will perhaps hold us back a little plus alot of these guys have not played for some weeks.
I will nominate: AUS 32 - NZ 16
Again, NZ will be tough in the early stanza's of each half though we should be too good and run over them in the back end of each half.
Cheers
DeeGan
Aussie 24-10
Lockyer MOM
Inferno wat are u thinkin??? NZ sif they've got a chance!LOL
Though I have Australia winning this one comfortably in the end, NZ have alot going for them in this opening match.
- No expectation
- An Aussie side expected to be a little rusty
- More physical side
- Stacey Jones is back in the halfback position
Writing off NZ as having no chance is a little premature, sure they are under strength, though you have to respect them in any test match they play. See 2003 Test at Auckland, NZ smacked us 30-16.
DeeGan
Super Cronk
15-10-05, 12:10 PM
I dont really want to write NZ off...but. They seem to have a bigger side...bigger is not always better. The aussie side is more mobile. And the backs are awesome! we have the best halfback in the world with a very good 5/8, we have 2 of the best wingers in the NRL comp(well 1 centre 1 winger) and 2 of the best centres in the comp(cooper is up there over tate for me), We also have minichello who has done the job many times before and done the job damn good.
The NZ'ers have a few inexperinced players at test level and with andrew johns putting up spiral bombs to your wing all night its not going to be a good debut.
It will be a good game for the first 30 mins..but NZ will fall away and the aussies will roll them towards the backend.
NZ had no chance?
After 20 minutes they led 18-0, after 40 mins it was 18-18.
At the minute it is 22-18 Australia in front.
Why is Trent Waterhouse still in the centres? We will not lose so no one will really question it though Waterhouse coming on to replace the injured Tahu is ridiculous IMO. It was no more evident when Waterhouse contributed to the Brent Webb try in the second half racing out of the line.
Move Lockyer to fullback, Minichello to wing and Gower to five-eight.
Cheers
DeeGan
"We will no lose"....lol
Well, at 30-22 DeeGan you may have just jinxed the Aussies who were 22-18 up.
DeeGan
Super Cronk
15-10-05, 09:37 PM
NZ had no chance?
After 20 minutes they led 18-0, after 40 mins it was 18-18.
At the minute it is 22-18 Australia in front.
Why is Trent Waterhouse still in the centres? We will not lose so no one will really question it though Waterhouse coming on to replace the injured Tahu is ridiculous IMO. It was no more evident when Waterhouse contributed to the Brent Webb try in the second half racing out of the line.
Move Lockyer to fullback, Minichello to wing and Gower to five-eight.
Cheers
DeeGan
ahh hindsight is a wonderful thing aye deegan.
The game is gone for the aussies..the NZ'ers were good tonight, the ref was horrendous tho and kinda took the game down a notch. The kiwi's all night were strong...if they hadnt gone missing for that 10 minutes they would have steamrolled the aussies.
PARANoIR
15-10-05, 09:43 PM
NZ sif they've got a chance!LOL
Yes, LOL indeed.
The Kiwis deserved that, Australia played like crap. I was leaning towards the Kiwis winning all week and deep down I kinda wanted them too after the farcical Australian Selection Policy.
ahh hindsight is a wonderful thing aye deegan.
It is though do not interpret my post as using hindsight to my advantage.
I had Australia winning this comfortably, they should have won yet failed to execute and the tipsters barring a minority are made to look silly.
I type red faced as will most of Australian rugby league fans tomorrow morning when they read the Sunday paper with their favourite breakfast and coffee.
In saying that, I recognised that NZ did have a a few things going for them and was not about to type 'NZ have no chance of winning LOL' ;)
Great win, let's hope a couple of tough decisions are made.
Cheers
DeeGan
PARANoIR
15-10-05, 09:58 PM
First Change: Put that Ref on a plane and send him to the Arctic!
Please note, this is not sour grapes and I'm not looking for excuses, Im never usually one to bag the ref, but tonight he was disgraceful for boths sides.
The sad thing is, that was no where near New Zealands full strength side. Theyre missing a lot of guys there.
For the first time ever I actually agreed with Phil Gould in that Trent Waterhouse should NOT have been in the Centres, Gower should have come on at 5/8, Lockyer to Fullback, and Minichiello to the Wing. That would have been a much more logical decision. Australia were far more exposed with Waterhouse in the centres.
Can someone tell me who got Man of the match?
Commiserations to Lance Hohaia whose Tri Series is over.
Inferno
15-10-05, 10:00 PM
I had Australia winning this comfortably, they should have won yet failed to execute and the tipsters barring a minority are made to look silly.
Thats everyone on here except me:cool:
Lockyer MOM
Inferno wat are u thinkin??? NZ sif they've got a chance!LOL
Hahahahahaha
what am I thinking indeed Kazaa:p
Super Cronk
15-10-05, 10:02 PM
Yeah NZ throughly deserved that..they were the better team for 70 minutes. where as the aussies were only really clicked on for about 20. The NZ'ers did what they have been missing the last few years...they were strong all game esp in defence in the past they start well then pack it away. And bennet had a shocker when he didnt put gower into 5/8 with lockyer going to fullback and minichello to the wing when tahu came off, Waterhouses defence was terrible and needed to be up front not out wide.....Congrats to the kiwi's and also brian mclennan(sp) for his debut coaching start.
Some changes ild make to the aussie team would be up front...maybe get skandalis in we just lacked up front. Ild move tate to the wing with cooper into centre as well if tahu isnt fit to play.
PARANoIR
15-10-05, 10:05 PM
Exactly. We got out muscled out front tonight. The Kiwi forwards, Wiki and Rauhihi in particular, were awesome. Asotasi and Cayless were both good off the bench and the only Australian prop that made an impression on me was Petero Civoneceva, he made a few good runs, but other than that we had nothing. I thought Jason Ryles might toughen us up abit when he came on, but he played like a cat too.
Super Cronk
15-10-05, 10:07 PM
Exactly. We got out muscled out front tonight. The Kiwi forwards, Wiki and Rauhihi in particular, were awesome. Asotasi and Cayless were both good off the bench and the only Australian prop that made an impression on me was Petero Civoneceva, he made a few good runs, but other than that we had nothing. I thought Jason Ryles might toughen us up abit when he came on, but he played like a cat too.
Even kidwell at times tore us open. He got through a couple of times and was able to off-load and also took 2 guys to stop him....thats not on and we need some props who are willing to put in 100%. Mason was injured in the pre match curtain raiser so he may be missing...who to call in? skando? who else?
PARANoIR
15-10-05, 10:13 PM
I honestly think Bennett may be regretting not picking Mason and O'Meley for the top side this evening. They would've had a bit more aggression in them then some of the other forwards. I think he's definitely regretting not playing Trent Barrett, though Gower was one of our better players - gee. I don't say that very often.
Ben Kennedy had an ABSOLUTE shocker imo. He was almost our worst on the field with the ball in hand. Fitzgibbon also did nothing, and Darren Lockyer had all the opportunity to carve up with all the attention on Johns, but still did nothing.
All up I thought our better players were Anthony Minichiello, Luke O'Donnell and Craig Gower. Civoneceva was also solid.
If Mason is injured, I think they should bring in Skandalis, but I fear that they'll go for a guy like Brad Thorn, just because it's Bennett.
Super Cronk
15-10-05, 10:17 PM
lol..bennet will prolly bring in darren smith or somethign stupid like that.
PARANoIR
15-10-05, 10:39 PM
lol yeah. That'd actually be funny though :p
Inferno
15-10-05, 11:05 PM
funny if your a Kiwi supporter:D
PARANoIR
15-10-05, 11:07 PM
I'm an Aussie supporter and I'd still find it highly amusing. So many people would be up in arms about it like last time. But atleast this time he would be more eligable.
Inferno
15-10-05, 11:13 PM
I am a Aussie supporter but have decided as long as their are more sharks playing in the Black and White I'm going for the Kiwis.
PARANoIR
15-10-05, 11:21 PM
lol. Im an Aussie supporter, but since the selection policy is a farce, Im glad the Kiwis won. :p
I am a Aussie supporter but have decided as long as their are more sharks playing in the Black and White I'm going for the Kiwis.
Not my definition of an Aussie supporter :confused:
DeeGan
Steelers
16-10-05, 01:03 AM
lol. Im an Aussie supporter, but since the selection policy is a farce, Im glad the Kiwis won. :p
Same here.
I tipped the Kiwis tonight. They had little expectation put on them to win, had a good mix of young talent and older experience. At 18 - 0 I just knew, like always, that Australia would come back. 18 - 18 at half time and I was like "NZ need to step up" which they did. I thought that AUS might get there in the end, but it looked like they didn't want it as much as the Kiwis, who played with heart and passion. Lockyer was dissapionting IMO. Didn't do that much. Johns did most of the work. Waterhouse in the centres????? A great game and great for the Kiwis and Intl. Rugby League! And to think I was gonna get my dad to put $10 on the Kiwis :mad:
Christabella
16-10-05, 01:27 AM
lol. Im an Aussie supporter, but since the selection policy is a farce, Im glad the Kiwis won. :p
I am a supporter of Rugby League (not like I need to tell you but that was directed at everyone else) and as such I am also glad the Kiwis won. It was a great game of football and it is the start that is needed to keep the tri-nations interesting.
The Aussies had it coming the bench they selected (with the exception of Gower) was dreadful, it was desperately lacking an impact forward. Ryan and Ryles are useless off the bench and don't tell me it would have been any better had Tahu not been injured because Waterhouse provides even less impact.
Steelers
16-10-05, 01:31 AM
I am a supporter of Rugby League (not like I need to tell you but that was directed at everyone else) and as such I am also glad the Kiwis won. It was a great game of football and it is the start that is needed to keep the tri-nations interesting.
The Aussies had it coming the bench they selected (with the exception of Gower) was dreadful, it was desperately lacking an impact forward. Ryan and Ryles are useless off the bench and don't tell me it would have been any better had Tahu not been injured because Waterhouse provides even less impact.
Australia bought it onto themselves partly due to the fact that their selection policy is crud! NZ picked an inform team with a mix of youth and experience. NZ wanted it more, thaey had loads more passion. AUS didn't really ever looked like they were enjoying playing.
Inferno
16-10-05, 07:58 AM
Not my definition of an Aussie supporter :confused:
DeeGan
Oh well, then I'm not an Aussie supporter then. I don't owe them anything, and like it was previously said, the selection policy was a farce, so why should I support a team in which I don't like the majority of players.
Oh well, then I'm not an Aussie supporter then. I don't owe them anything, and like it was previously said, the selection policy was a farce, so why should I support a team in which I don't like the majority of players.
because your australian!i can't believe you guy's are glad the kiwi's won,i mean i didn't agree with some selections either waterhouse,tate,ryles etc but there's no way on this earth do i ever want the kiwi's or GB to beat us.
where's the Aussie spirit :confused:
Oh well, then I'm not an Aussie supporter then
No, I guess your not then Inferno.
When we are doing our victory lap we as Australian supporters will be there to comfort you given you just turned your back on your country of birth for the reasons being your club has better representation in the NZ national team and you don't like the majority of our players ;)
We then have another group 'happy' we lost as a couple of selections were deemed as 'farcial'. Ok, fine, there were a couple of questionable selections when the touring party was named yet to be 'happy' we lost? Forgive me if I don't trust you when you suggest 'I got your back'.
The NZ win is great for the Tri-Nations series, though to see these type of posts is quite mind blowing and perhaps eye opening.
As I like to say, 'each to their own'.
Congrats to the Kiwi's, you will have a healthy crowd for the second test in NZ as well as some Australians cheering you on as well. Who knows, you might just convert some Poms in the UK ;)
DeeGan
Rabbitohs_Fan2005
16-10-05, 01:00 PM
I went to this game and Australia played pretty good but NZ were justto big and strong in this game...I also watched the first matchs second half and Leon Bott made a chase down of about 70m and took down Owen Guttenbeil..
DIEHARD
18-10-05, 09:32 AM
New Zealand winning may be fantastic for the international game.
But I'm an Australian Kangaroos fan and I can't stand them to lose.
You'll never ever seen me cheering for the Lions or Kiwis. It is there job to step up to the plate, not for me to take pitty on them. Queensland was bashed from pillar to post for 70 years and we never gave up. We focused our hate, rallied our small number of troops and came back to match New South Wales with infinitely less resources.
I hate Kiwis and if you were at Telstra Stadium to see them dancing around, giving you the finger and destroying your inflatable crocodile, you would as well.
We will bounce back this weekend!
Looking at it objectively, it will bring people back to Kangaroos games. But it was never something I was going to pray for to happen. The Tri Nations will prove to be another fantastic series. And next year's Anzac Test will sell out with Halatua, Marshall and William availiable, the match will be of Origin proportions, 50k at Lang Park. And it will set up next year's Australian based Tri Nations.
We won't have trouble selling tickets to games in Sydney again, the NRL and ARL will hopefully realise the potential of the international game and....the game's TV ratings once again slayed the Bledisloe Cup. League beat Union's showpiece for the 2nd time this year! (Anzac Test)
It also blows the usual "Oh I'm not going, because the Kangaroos always win. Whinge Whinge." Enough of that.
The Kiwis could seriously do a number over us in Auckland this weekend. They have a very very good record against us in Auckland.
For those of you who are happy the Kiwis won and apathetic towards the Roos, your attitude will soon change. Losing to the Kiwis isn't a laughing matter and we have to put these idiots in their place, at the bottom of the Tri Nations ladder, watching the final from the stands.
It is national pride on the line!
GO THE KANGAROOS!!
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