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Titan In Newcastle
26-09-05, 08:11 PM
Any Laws/rules you aren't sure of or are there some u think should'nt be in the game or maybe there is something u might like to see added to the game, express you self here.

Dakink
26-09-05, 08:12 PM
Any Laws/rules you aren't sure of or are there some u think should'nt be in the game or maybe there is something u might like to see added to the game, express you self here.

Nice thread - I would like to see a little more of the onus placed on the ball carrier to maintain ball security. Some players lose it way to easily knowing that they will be given a penalty.

Titan In Newcastle
26-09-05, 08:16 PM
Nice thread - I would like to see a little more of the onus placed on the ball carrier to maintain ball security. Some players lose it way to easily knowing that they will be given a penalty.
thanks, im a ref so i love *****ing bout laws of the game, lol refs ***** good we make good politicains if thats possible.

but yeah good point, its just too easy for the ball carrier to milk a penalty in that area of the tackle, the onus should be put back to the ball carrier to protect it, the game has got soft in that aspect over the years i have been following league

Dakink
26-09-05, 08:20 PM
That includes the play the ball. If the player is trying to play it to quick and muffs it he loses it.

Chaos
26-09-05, 08:22 PM
I like the point Gould made in the Dragons/Tigers game.
With such a grey area around the player being held and not held, it's not fair that Tigers were awarded a penalty when Barrett went to run after being held.
I agree he was held.
Barrett made a mistake but stopping him and making him play the ball back on the mark is enough of a penalty. They lose the roll they started.

Titan In Newcastle
26-09-05, 08:29 PM
I like the point Gould made in the Dragons/Tigers game.
With such a grey area around the player being held and not held, it's not fair that Tigers were awarded a penalty when Barrett went to run after being held.
I agree he was held.
Barrett made a mistake but stopping him and making him play the ball back on the mark is enough of a penalty. They lose the roll they started.
fair enough comment i spose.
but gould just loves whinging bout decsions refs make.
its a 50-50 call coz u get players like e.g barrett who loves to try and milk it making out they havent heard the ref, it just isnt that hard when ur on the field. but a play the ball would have been good, stop the roll on slow it down for the tigers which i think is plenty of advantage for the tigers. and penalies the dragons for not listening good enough

Titan In Newcastle
26-09-05, 08:31 PM
That includes the play the ball. If the player is trying to play it to quick and muffs it he loses it.
if they are trying for the quick roll on and they dont place the ball correctly on the ground and thumble it thats there own stupidity they have to pick the ball off the ground and then place it on the ground CORRECTLY to play it other wise lost control and scrum to defending side, fair enough rule i reckon

Inferno
26-09-05, 08:35 PM
I think penalties should be given for Players who take a dive. For example Barett against the Sharks AND Tigers when he was pushed on his ass for standing over the guy playing the ball.

Also I hate the scrums of today. Half the time a Prop sticks a leg out out it never even enters the scrum.

Dakink
26-09-05, 08:37 PM
if they are trying for the quick roll on and they dont place the ball correctly on the ground and thumble it thats there own stupidity they have to pick the ball off the ground and then place it on the ground CORRECTLY to play it other wise lost control and scrum to defending side, fair enough rule i reckon

I meant you see some players trying to play it to quickly with poor ball security and it taps the tackler and because they arent really holding it it pops out and they get the penalty. Shold be their own fault for not respecting the ball

Chaos
26-09-05, 08:41 PM
I meant you see some players trying to play it to quickly with poor ball security and it taps the tackler and because they arent really holding it it pops out and they get the penalty. Shold be their own fault for not respecting the ball


Dakink, you have a point and I don't know which way to go but the tackler should get off the player once tackled.
I think the guy with the ball tries to gain extra ground before he plays it.

Titan In Newcastle
26-09-05, 08:43 PM
I think penalties should be given for Players who take a dive. For example Barett against the Sharks AND Tigers when he was pushed on his ass for standing over the guy playing the ball.

Also I hate the scrums of today. Half the time a Prop sticks a leg out out it never even enters the scrum.
personally i thought that was great from vagana laying barrett out on his back side, a memorable moment for me

Chaos
26-09-05, 08:48 PM
I have a hypothetical rule?I know this won?t get changed but it sounded like fun to me.

Rule: Every player can only have one kick at goal per game (excluding field goals)

Have a think about it?you could use your best kicker first goal, second best next, third next and so on?
or
You could save your best for a harder kick.

Think of the tactics used!

Super Cronk
26-09-05, 08:49 PM
on the light side...ild like to see every player that commits a penalty do 10 push ups before getting back into play.

on a serious note- i think the vid ref should be allowed to rule on forward passes.

Titan In Newcastle
26-09-05, 08:52 PM
I have a hypothetical rule?I know this won?t get changed but it sounded like fun to me.

Rule: Every player can only have one kick at goal per game (excluding field goals)

Have a think about it?you could use your best kicker first goal, second best next, third next and so on?
or
You could save your best for a harder kick.

Think of the tactics used!
in mini and mod league which are for the little kiddies, they can only have 1 kick till the whole team has had a kick then they keep rotating. they need to have a fun comp that goes for a couple of weeks in the off season with fun rules and sumthing different bit of a training run for em also

Inferno
26-09-05, 08:53 PM
the problem with that is the video evidence isin't always conclusive, unless your right in line its very hard to judge on them, different camera angles show different things.

Chaos
26-09-05, 08:56 PM
in mini and mod league which are for the little kiddies, they can only have 1 kick till the whole team has had a kick then they keep rotating. they need to have a fun comp that goes for a couple of weeks in the off season with fun rules and sumthing different bit of a training run for em also


It's a great rule...the more I think about it the more I like it!

Titan In Newcastle
27-09-05, 05:23 AM
It's a great rule...the more I think about it the more I like it!
it would b intersting but i highly doubt they would implement it even tho most of the players should b back playing mini or mod footy coz they act like kids

Teegy
27-09-05, 08:01 AM
I'll ;ike to see contests for the ball in scrums and playthe ballls

Dakink
27-09-05, 09:41 AM
I'll ;ike to see contests for the ball in scrums and playthe ballls

I wouldnt want the scrum to be a contest. The scrum I think in todays game is the perfect way to have a set piece with half the team not involved. I would like to see the forwards lookeed into the scrumm a few seconds more to give the backs more time to put on a play.

I would like to see a contest at the play the ball though as one of my pet hates in the game is poor ball security and this would ensure they are a little more careful with what they do with it.

Duff85
27-09-05, 09:53 AM
I am campaigning for the introduction of the Punch Qouta in League:

Each player is allowed to dish out 30 punches across the season. For rivalry games ie. Saints vs Sharks, each player is credited with another 2 punches each...

When they players like Utai everyone is allowed another punch each.

Just think about the possibilities... Kylie Leulali and Carl Webb would be out of punches after the first round... it would add so much more excitment to the game.

Dakink
27-09-05, 09:54 AM
I am campaigning for the introduction of the Punch Qouta in League:

Each player is allowed to dish out 30 punches across the season. For rivalry games ie. Saints vs Sharks, each player is credited with another 2 punches each...

When they players like Utai everyone is allowed another punch each.

Just think about the possibilities... Kylie Leulali and Carl Webb would be out of punches after the first round... it would add so much more excitment to the game.


LOL may as wellchange the game to Rugby Boxing!!

Or WWW League!

Titan In Newcastle
27-09-05, 01:50 PM
I wouldnt want the scrum to be a contest. The scrum I think in todays game is the perfect way to have a set piece with half the team not involved. I would like to see the forwards lookeed into the scrumm a few seconds more to give the backs more time to put on a play.

I would like to see a contest at the play the ball though as one of my pet hates in the game is poor ball security and this would ensure they are a little more careful with what they do with it.
i think the scrums are useless now, the ball gets feed in 1 leg comes out the other, most the time the hooker isnt even striking for it. waste of time, the only thing good bout it is the props get a breather thats bout it. should just be a change over like they have on the last tackle

[BroncosGirl]
27-09-05, 02:11 PM
Scrums seem useless because players don't take advantage, if they did, it would make more sense to have them. Scrums are meant to be a good attacking opportunity, but teams don't make anything of them, well hardly.

Super Cronk
27-09-05, 02:19 PM
The scrum shouldnt be a contest. Then it gives the team that made a mistake a chance at getting the ball back. and rarely does a deecnt play ever come from a scrum...more often then not the ball is pushed out then 1 or 2 passes wide the attacker gets tackled....its a waste of time.

Dakink
27-09-05, 02:51 PM
i think the scrums are useless now, the ball gets feed in 1 leg comes out the other, most the time the hooker isnt even striking for it. waste of time, the only thing good bout it is the props get a breather thats bout it. should just be a change over like they have on the last tackle


the point of the scrums now isnt to have a contest for the ball it is to provide an opportunity for a set piece.

[BroncosGirl]
27-09-05, 03:00 PM
the point of the scrums now isnt to have a contest for the ball it is to provide an opportunity for a set piece.

Yep, but teams don't do enough to take advantage.

I mean the Broncos threw a foward pass off a scrum base :rolleyes:

Teegy
27-09-05, 03:04 PM
Scrums are a waste of time it should be a tap if they are not contested

Shadow XL
27-09-05, 03:37 PM
Scrums need to be more contested i belive, i mean we saw it with the cowboys last year agaisnt the bulldogs and i loved it, it can be used as like a surprise tatic, scrums wern't designed to be a set play and they shouldn't be. CONTEST THE SCRUM!

Super Cronk
27-09-05, 04:25 PM
Scrums need to be more contested i belive, i mean we saw it with the cowboys last year agaisnt the bulldogs and i loved it, it can be used as like a surprise tatic, scrums wern't designed to be a set play and they shouldn't be. CONTEST THE SCRUM!

but why should the team that made the mistake get another shot at getting the ball????? its stupid , you shouldnt be rewarding mistakes.

It should be a tap and play from there IMO.

Moejoe
27-09-05, 04:58 PM
Scrums as they are now in the NRL are a waste of time. Refereing Junior football you make sure they place the ball in the tunnel and the hookers are the only ones able to strike for the ball.

What the NRL are doing is making the hooker role obsolete there for it is no longer a specialist position.

Bring back the days when we would see the team without the loose head making the big push to win the scrum and lift the teams momentum in a game.

Also referees should learn the use of differential penalties. Incorect feed, Props not packing into the scrum properl, Locks leaving early ect. All problems our game faces and must be looked at and corrected to comply with the ARL law book.

Chaos
27-09-05, 05:49 PM
']Yep, but teams don't do enough to take advantage.

:


I'm totally with Broncosgirl on this one.
Todays scrum is the best chance a team has to score a try and teams don't take advantage of it.
Tigers produced some good attacking moves near the end of the year and I think they will try some more in the GF, if they get a chance.

One simple idea, is to get the fastest accelarating player to pack in at lock.
Just pick the ball up and run, there's no way a forward could keep up without being off side.
Another tactic could be to hold the ball in the scrum and if the opposition break too soon, you could gain a penalty.

That leads to my next point, the refs should be more harsh on players breaking from the scrum too early.

Dakink
27-09-05, 06:11 PM
Like Hodgson's try aginst (cant remember) from the back of the scrum that was set up by Marshall!

Teegy
27-09-05, 06:12 PM
that was a big misread in defence by the dragons aswell though

Dakink
27-09-05, 06:14 PM
the try Im thinking of wasnt against the Dragons. Marshall picked it up from lock and put Hodgson through a screamer of a hole - Ill jolt my memory soon lol.

Titan In Newcastle
27-09-05, 06:14 PM
Scrums as they are now in the NRL are a waste of time. Refereing Junior football you make sure they place the ball in the tunnel and the hookers are the only ones able to strike for the ball.

What the NRL are doing is making the hooker role obsolete there for it is no longer a specialist position.

Bring back the days when we would see the team without the loose head making the big push to win the scrum and lift the teams momentum in a game.

Also referees should learn the use of differential penalties. Incorect feed, Props not packing into the scrum properl, Locks leaving early ect. All problems our game faces and must be looked at and corrected to comply with the ARL law book.
well said mate, couldnt have said it better my self

Teegy
27-09-05, 06:16 PM
Without contested scrums the better thing to do is just give the team a tap. quicker and teams can still run a set play

GoldCoastDogFan
27-09-05, 08:18 PM
id like too see the corner post taken out of the game its opintless now with the video ref either side in the air its a try touch the post at the but not the ground your out

Super Cronk
27-09-05, 08:19 PM
id like too see the corner post taken out of the game its opintless now with the video ref either side in the air its a try touch the post at the but not the ground your out


the post is there so the refs can adjudicate on weather or not when a ball has been kicked if the ball went out in the field of play or if it went dead in-goal. If that was taken away you wouldnt know where the ball went out. Its easy to say 'use the vid ref' but you cant stop the game every kick to go to the vid ref the game would go for 6 hours.

Kronos
27-09-05, 08:29 PM
I hate players walking foward (and crawling) off the mark, to put markers offside.
Then the marker getting pinged for not being square...........S*#t's me.

Chaos
27-09-05, 09:21 PM
the try Im thinking of wasnt against the Dragons. Marshall picked it up from lock and put Hodgson through a screamer of a hole - Ill jolt my memory soon lol.


Dakink,
That try was the perfect example, Marshall out paced the guy marking him and the next defended had to come in.
Hodgson did hit the hole well.