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tamwe-LG
03-04-11, 12:18 PM
William Zillman - 2011 Discussion Thread

General discussion on match performances, position, injuries, contracts, and anything else.

tamwe-LG
06-04-11, 10:10 PM
When surfing the net I found an interesting article about Zilly and after watching the way he played at halfback when thrown into that position on the weekend I thought I'd share it with everyone.


Zillman roams free in Premier League shake-up
PFitzgerald
Thursday, 8 September 2005

For 19-year-old William Zillman, season 2005 has already provided a wealth of highs.
At the beginning of the year the teenager was just one of many Raiders juniors with big wraps but yet to prove themselves.

Already this season, Zillman has represented Queensland at under-19 level, cemented himself in Canberra's Premier League side and been on the verge of making his first-grade debut.

And on Saturday, he has the opportunity to help the Raiders Premier League side progress further in the semi-finals series when it takes on the Newtown Jets at Seiffert Oval.

"It's been a good year, yeah for sure, but I'd love to cap it all off with a grand final win," Zillman said yesterday. Zillman has been named at fullback by coach and former Raiders great David Furner, despite having played the majority of his short career at halfback.

The No7 jersey this weekend, however, has been taken by Todd Carney and Zillman was more than happy to play as the last line of defence.

He has, though, been given a "licence to roam" from Furner in a bid to get the enormous talent more involved in the game.

"Dave said I can get my hands a bit more on the ball, which I didn't really do on the weekend but this week I'm hoping to do that," Zillman said. "I wouldn't say I'd rather be playing in the halves because it really doesn't bother me. I haven't played a lot of fullback, that's the only thing, but I'm just so happy to be in the team it doesn't really bother me." Zillman began the year playing in the Raiders Jersey Flegg side before staking his claim for a regular Premier League position. He was extremely close to running on with first grade.

tamwe-LG
06-04-11, 10:14 PM
There we go Zilly was a halfback and was switched to fullback in 2005 to allow for this years blues 5/8 and Australia's 5/8 when Locky retires to play in the halfs.

In the same year Zilly played for QLD u19 at 5/8 and the following year played fullback in the junior Kangaroos (Carney and Mullen where the halfs).

Titanic
10-04-11, 11:41 AM
5 seasons further down the track, surely he's has the smarts to play in the halves? I have always loved his courage and we need some frontline nouse. Great find Tamwelg.

Chaos
10-04-11, 12:13 PM
Zillman
good straight ball runner...suits attacking around the ruck area.
Not suited to a 'sweeping around the back' play
Not a natural ball player, before the line

Titan Dad
22-04-11, 08:29 AM
Zillman
good straight ball runner...suits attacking around the ruck area.
Not suited to a 'sweeping around the back' play
Not a natural ball player, before the line

He hasn't played this position for a number of years since converting over. Wont take him long, and when he starts firing he will put a lot of players into some good positions with the ball. :wave:

Rage
22-04-11, 10:09 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing him in the 6 for the rest of the year, although what do we do with Presto then?

Titan Dad
22-04-11, 02:32 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing him in the 6 for the rest of the year, although what do we do with Presto then?

Presto would be my Number 1. He is safe under high ball and can inject himself anywhere along the backline, He would not be a bench player for me, I would start him and keep him on full time again as he is a proven game winner.:thumbsup:

Panthers_Fan
01-05-11, 09:25 PM
Zillman should be the Titans 5/8 for the near foreseable future.

tamwe-LG
09-08-11, 07:50 AM
Zillman 5/8 didn't work out and now they are playing him in the centres, what is the clubs plan for Zillman? Some of the comments made by the club and Rankin at fullback suggests they don't intend playing him in the 1 next year and with Idris and Champion coming in, what does everyone think the club has planned for Zilly?

Surfers6
09-08-11, 07:56 AM
We have to play Zilly in his best position which is fullback.
The only other option would be to buy a fullback and play Zilly at 3 and Idris at 11.

Ryan
10-08-11, 08:37 AM
I like what I've seen with Zilly in #3 so far. He's far more talented than Idris & Champion and he's put in the hard yards with the club over the years - so I think he deserves 1st choice in the centers. If that means Champion goes to Q-Cup as depth backup then so be it. Our pack doesn't need Idris, I think he's tied up the other center spot.

If Zillman stays in the centers, we also get the advantage we had when Rogers was there. Go back 18mths or so, we were on top of the ladder and had the best defense in the comp. I believe having 4 decent forwards on the bench had alot to do with that, and having play making depth in the centers allows that. If any of the backs get injured during a game, Zillman can cover them and a second rower can cover the center position. Then our forwards can get a good rotation and stay fresh, so there won't be any tired big fella's leaving holes in the defense.


I'd still like to see him trialed in #7 with Prince #6 though. Zillman getting more early ball can't be a bad thing, then Prince gets more time to direct play and more choice when to inject himself. That also allows us to keep Rankin in #1, which I think is valuable.

Smakked
10-08-11, 08:56 AM
Put zilly at Fullback and keep him there , that is his position, I think he is to small for a center these days. Champion in the centers he is a good player just hasnt had much of a go because of who he is up against getting a spot at the storm. Rankin shouldnt be there he has done nothing.

Coaster
10-08-11, 09:11 AM
I think Zillman is the perfect center, he is strong and breaks the line, runs excellent angles, and has decent defense.

He can also pass, and kick if needed.

IMO he is a center

DavidBouveng
14-08-11, 10:04 PM
This so tough,

because as a fullback he was solid and reliable, but uncreative. we move him to centres or 5/8 and he starts scoring great tries and looking dangerous.

He is almost gonna be a victim of his versatility and get shoved around alot. But Cartwright loves him and has said he is a future Titans captain, so maybe hell get a permanent spot somewhere.

I have been impressed by rankins defense, he has matured alot, and his running game will come as he adapts his timing to the faster NRL games. but after only 6 or so games, does he deserve to replace one of our most committed players. probably not.

Maybe Zillman at fullback, with rankin serving a full year apprenticship on bench in 2012 covering a few backlines spots,even short stints at hooker from time to time to help him learn the game from more angles.

between Zill at fullback and rankin on bench, we are well covered for any injury that might come up mid game except for srama.

Will be interesting to see which way the coach goes

SunnyCoastTitanFan
14-08-11, 10:20 PM
This so tough,

because as a fullback he was solid and reliable, but uncreative. we move him to centres or 5/8 and he starts scoring great tries and looking dangerous.

He is almost gonna be a victim of his versatility and get shoved around alot. But Cartwright loves him and has said he is a future Titans captain, so maybe hell get a permanent spot somewhere.

I have been impressed by rankins defense, he has matured alot, and his running game will come as he adapts his timing to the faster NRL games. but after only 6 or so games, does he deserve to replace one of our most committed players. probably not.

Maybe Zillman at fullback, with rankin serving a full year apprenticship on bench in 2012 covering a few backlines spots,even short stints at hooker from time to time to help him learn the game from more angles.

between Zill at fullback and rankin on bench, we are well covered for any injury that might come up mid game except for srama.

Will be interesting to see which way the coach goes

I'll start off by welcoming you to the forum, it's always great to see new people on board :D

I agree with you about Zillman. After watching Rankin play yesterday, I was thinking he would be a great acquisition off the bench, he's got some speed, plus he's developing himself as a playmaker and will be better for the run next year. I know that Zillman provides some speed etc in the centers, and for now the setup is fine, but next year with the arrival of Champion and Idris compounded with the return of Gordon will mean Zillman returns to fullback. My only qualm with that is as you said doesn't get too involved with the attack back there, but I think the game plan must change to incorporate him as a major attacking weapon. This kid could be better than Slater if used correctly.

DavidBouveng
14-08-11, 10:36 PM
yeah agree totally,

Rankin is a good prospect but still needs a little time to fully develop, push too soon and we will never get the best out of him. He is similar to shannon walker in that way, whereas kids like Matt Srama and Keiran Foran come in and make it look like they've been doing it for years

As for Zillman attacking from the back, the thing is, as an attacking team, im not sure we are up to speed with the top teams, and we have to lay those foundations quick smart or well still be behind the 8 ball

I love Carty, but he needs to have an attack coach on the staff.(not a johns brother), someone like a Jason Taylor, who knows about organisation and structure, and how to 'unlock' a defence.

Its is an exciting problem to have though.

Thanks for the welcome

Princey's Titanz
02-11-11, 05:14 PM
Doesnt anyone think that if Yow Yeh or Boyd get injured for QLD state of origin team then Zillman has a good shot at the winger position? Other contenders might be Willie Tonga (if he doesnt play centre) or maybe Brent Tate? Lote Tuquiri is another option (i dont like him) but i think Zillman would be the best choice.

DavidBouveng
02-11-11, 08:37 PM
Its hard to predict what the selectors think.

I think hed be close as a utility, and he is a much better player than Daniel Vidot who was the player considered next before yow yeh forced his way in.

Tate and Tonga would be before him and have sevred so well before.

Tiquiri is done i think, got shown up in that 4 nations final last year and been injured since.

It probably most depends on how the titans go. if we are pushing top 4 when origin rolls into town, who knows, and what he might do running support lines off Jamal all year, could explode.

im still gutted Mead has declared NSW, thought he would have been close if he kept his form up.

GC_Titans_Fan
02-11-11, 08:48 PM
Would rather him cement a spot in the Titans line up first.

Titanic
02-11-11, 09:48 PM
Would rather him cement a spot in the Titans line up first.

Very much this because Phil Graham will keep him honest.

Princey's Titanz
02-11-11, 10:57 PM
Its hard to predict what the selectors think.

I think hed be close as a utility, and he is a much better player than Daniel Vidot who was the player considered next before yow yeh forced his way in.

Tate and Tonga would be before him and have sevred so well before.

Tiquiri is done i think, got shown up in that 4 nations final last year and been injured since.

It probably most depends on how the titans go. if we are pushing top 4 when origin rolls into town, who knows, and what he might do running support lines off Jamal all year, could explode.

im still gutted Mead has declared NSW, thought he would have been close if he kept his form up.

Did Mead confirm tht he is going to play for NSW? He would have a slim chance to get into the NSW considering their strong backs.

GC_Titans_Fan
02-11-11, 11:02 PM
And QLD don't?

teke
03-11-11, 01:12 AM
Mead didnt declare himself a New South Welshman, opposite actually but that is the only team he is allowed to play for. Im going to get him registered with QLd if it's the last thing I do :fight:

Princey's Titanz
03-11-11, 10:02 AM
And QLD don't?

NSW have stronger backs then QLD. QLD have better halves pairing then NSW and QLD have a much better fullback and hooker than NSW do. Ontop of that QLD have better props. QLD are low on backs but NSW have so many options for centre, wing, fullback that its not funny...

GC_Titans_Fan
03-11-11, 05:38 PM
NSW have stronger backs then QLD. QLD have better halves pairing then NSW and QLD have a much better fullback and hooker than NSW do. Ontop of that QLD have better props. QLD are low on backs but NSW have so many options for centre, wing, fullback that its not funny...

When you have Greg Inglis, Justin Hodges, Jharal Yow Yeh, Willie Tonga and Dane Nielsen to choose from, I don't think you are low on backs. imo

Princey's Titanz
03-11-11, 06:54 PM
When you have Greg Inglis, Justin Hodges, Jharal Yow Yeh, Willie Tonga and Dane Nielsen to choose from, I don't think you are low on backs. imo

Mate tht is 6 players to cover 4 positions (including Boyd). QLD compared to NSW doesnt have as much depth in the backs. QLD have heaps of depth in the halves (they practically have all of the NRL's best playmakers ie Thurston, Cronk, Cherry Evans, Prince). NSW are abundant in the backs with the likes of Hayne, Dugan, Brett Stewart, Brett Morris, Uate, Kevin Gordon, Chris Lawrence, Will Hoppa, Michael Jennings, Kurt Gidley, Beau Champion, Jamal Idris, Josh Morris, Timana Tahu, Michael Gordon, Anthony Minichiello, Tim Moltzen, Jamie Lyon, Kyle Stanley, Luke Burt, Nathan Merritt, Wes Naiqama, Nathan Gardner, Blake Ferguson, Joel Reddy. This list is going forever. QLD backs are Slater, Barba, Bowen, Boyd, Yow Yeh, Zillman, Hodges, Tuqiri, Willie Tonga, Brent Tate, Inglis, Maurice Blair, Ashley Graham. Thats it. Thats a ratio of 25+:13. See the difference?

teke
04-11-11, 01:49 AM
Yeah the depth in the NSW side is deep compared to the Maroons.

Princey's Titanz
04-11-11, 10:22 AM
Yeah the depth in the NSW side is deep compared to the Maroons.

Yea but the positions tht NSW dont have depth in is in the halves. They are lacking a quality playmaker. It couldve been Carney he would have filled himself in tht position but he obviously lost his way. Mateo should definitely be in the NSW team next year.

Titanic
04-11-11, 10:57 PM
Yeah the depth in the NSW side is deep compared to the Maroons.

Gee mate, it's raining in Nanjing, there's no footy on until tomorrow night and I just can't help myself:

Yep, the only depth that list represents is six feet under or should that be six years under the pump. As everyone knows 1 Qlder > 20 of the rest, so keep listing them and we'll keep burying them.

teke
05-11-11, 12:47 AM
Gee mate, it's raining in Nanjing, there's no footy on until tomorrow night and I just can't help myself:

Yep, the only depth that list represents is six feet under or should that be six years under the pump. As everyone knows 1 Qlder > 20 of the rest, so keep listing them and we'll keep burying them.You wont get an argument from me Im a Maroon :fight:

shamus
05-11-11, 03:59 PM
You wont get an argument from me Im a Maroon :fight:

Yeah Teke, I read that in another post somewhere but you were born in NSW.

2 out of 3 ain't bad I guess......Manly/Titans but bloody Morons.....oops... Maroons...No..No..No..No..No :ugh:

Princey's Titanz
25-02-12, 11:46 AM
So the try scoring machine William 'Zip Zip' Zillman will play in the position where he belongs... at fullback.

Rankin will be our 5/8.

Personally im really happy. Zillman adds stability to the backs and Rankin was exposed at fullback.

Zillman hasnt played at fullback for almost a year. Im excited and im expecting big things from him this year.

Anyone like to share their opinion?

Titans Expert
25-02-12, 12:06 PM
Zillman is a talented footy player and he will have a much better season then last year.

He was placed in all positions so to be in one position for this year he will shine.

To work of Prince and getting good ball from Rankin there will be a nice combination going.

DavidBouveng
25-02-12, 12:37 PM
i am stoked that cartwright is open to common sense and has an open mind to change.

one thing though, if we are basing this off the Bulletin article, it says carty has yet to make a final decision, but it is LIKELY Rankin has the 6...

it seems almost a done deal, but funnier things have happened.

but zillman could be amazing this year with big centres and forwards ahead of him.... he looks back to peak speed and sharpness, so heres hoping.

Titans Expert
27-02-12, 09:11 AM
i am stoked that cartwright is open to common sense and has an open mind to change.

one thing though, if we are basing this off the Bulletin article, it says carty has yet to make a final decision, but it is LIKELY Rankin has the 6...

it seems almost a done deal, but funnier things have happened.

but zillman could be amazing this year with big centres and forwards ahead of him.... he looks back to peak speed and sharpness, so heres hoping.

He sure will have a fun time running around scoring tries from everwhere around in the park. Has a good knack of finding holes.

Princey's Titanz
27-02-12, 09:34 AM
He sure will have a fun time running around scoring tries from everwhere around in the park. Has a good knack of finding holes.

He did have a good combination with Scott Prince last year. He kicked alot to Zillman and Zillman would leap up and score a fair amount of tries.

Its Princey's Titanzz
01-03-12, 08:41 AM
He did have a good combination with Scott Prince last year. He kicked alot to Zillman and Zillman would leap up and score a fair amount of tries.

I disagree with you here mate. Im fairly sure scotty princey would kick the ball to the wingers such as mead or michaels. Although zillman was an excellent fullback, he was rarely scoring tries on the wing. But yeah, he is a major attribute to the teamm in any position he plays.

Princey's Titanz
01-03-12, 09:14 AM
I disagree with you here mate. Im fairly sure scotty princey would kick the ball to the wingers such as mead or michaels. Although zillman was an excellent fullback, he was rarely scoring tries on the wing. But yeah, he is a major attribute to the teamm in any position he plays.

Mate who are you? You stole my name.

Princie's Titanz
01-03-12, 12:27 PM
Mate who are you? You stole my name.

For what it's worth, it isn't exactly the same. :laugh:

Princey's Titanz
01-03-12, 03:27 PM
For what it's worth, it isn't exactly the same. :laugh:

Omg!

The Gladiator
01-03-12, 04:08 PM
Okay lets just settle it, My name is the Bossest

DavidBouveng
01-03-12, 09:22 PM
Princie v Princey...

Princey wins everytime.

Princey's Titanz
02-03-12, 12:34 PM
For what it's worth, it isn't exactly the same. :laugh:

Funny joke jeffrey!

Its Princey's Titanzz
07-03-12, 10:43 AM
Funny joke jeffrey!

I'm sorry, please stop claiming who people are... And get back on topic please.

Princey's Titanz
07-03-12, 03:52 PM
I'm sorry, please stop claiming who people are... And get back on topic please.

Ok jeffrey or ali or raymond...